My gunong collection and some thoughts

Battara · 19th January 2015, 12:03 AM

As I said, either this one is an aberration, or the artisan may not have been Moro.

kronckew · 19th January 2015, 01:00 AM

a possibility. as long as you are satisfied with it. a minor aberration. makes it more unusual.

Battara · 19th January 2015, 04:34 AM

When I tried reversing the blade, it didn't fit into the scabbard well nor would it fit the handle well. What you see not only is the best fit but seems to be the original fit and orientation.

Sajen · 19th January 2015, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

When I tried reversing the blade, it didn't fit into the scabbard well nor would it fit the handle well. What you see not only is the best fit but seems to be the original fit and orientation.

Here some pictures which show from up to down a.: the fit now inside the scabbard, b.: like it is normally (no perfect fit), and c.: a close up from this

Sajen · 24th January 2015, 12:49 PM

After I was outbid 2012 by this one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=gunong I was now able to acquire a nearly similar gunong, maybe from the same workshop, not antique, maybe WWII area, but very good worked IMHO.
Here are the pictures from the seller. Will post some more pictures when I have received it and have given it some maintenance.

Sajen · 24th January 2015, 12:54 PM

Here both side by side for comparison.

Robert · 26th January 2015, 07:23 AM

Hello Detlef, I really like these knives and though not antique they are very interesting. Because of the good workmanship, nice form and the fact that it's so unique I had even put a modest bid on this when I first saw it, but I was quickly outbid. At least now you won't be as disapointed about not winning the first one seeing that you have been able to acquire this one for your collection. I agree with Rick when he said: "wouldn't this make a great visual deterrent to a potential attacker when seen from twenty feet away, or across a room ." I think that this would be especially true if the room wasn't well lit. I am looking forward to it arriving to see just how well made it actually is. Again, my congratulations to you for winning this most interesting piece.

Best,
Robert

kronckew · 26th January 2015, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Here some pictures which show from up to down a.: the fit now inside the scabbard, b.: like it is normally (no perfect fit), and c.: a close up from this

i wasn't referring to how it fit in the scabbard, that usually is only one correct way. properly inserted in the scabbard for correct fit of the blade, the hilt, not the blade, would normally point the other way. it could be removed from the blade rotated 180 degrees and re-attached. all with the guard and blade in the scabbard correctly at best fit.

Sajen · 26th January 2015, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

i wasn't referring to how it fit in the scabbard, that usually is only one correct way. properly inserted in the scabbard for correct fit of the blade, the hilt, not the blade, would normally point the other way. it could be removed from the blade rotated 180 degrees and re-attached. all with the guard and blade in the scabbard correctly at best fit.

Hi Kronckew,

I understand what you meant but read again #56 what Jose has written. And when you would turn the handle by 180 degree the look inside scabbard will be unusual as well, see attached picture. And when I understand Jose correct it wasn't possible.

Best regards,
Detlef

David · 27th January 2015, 12:06 AM

It should be noted that the bend of the pommel does NOT always flow in the same direction on all gunongs. The ivory gunong on the left is a straight single edged variety. The one on the right is a wavy blade. Neither of these blades fit the sheath in the reverse direction so this is how they were made. I suppose it is possible that these differ do to righthand/lefthand preferences.
Regarding Wayne's comments on point direction, the wavy one does indeed have the direction of the point bending to the same side as the bend of the hilt, though i am always hesitant to claim "wrong" or "correct" when it comes to these daggers as i do not believe we really know enough about them to make such definitive statements. Just as the pommels don't always bend to the same side i am open to the concept that the point of the wavy dagger might also vary from time to time.

24th January 2015, 12:54 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,197	Here both side by side for comparison. Attached Images

27th January 2015, 12:06 AM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	It should be noted that the bend of the pommel does NOT always flow in the same direction on all gunongs. The ivory gunong on the left is a straight single edged variety. The one on the right is a wavy blade. Neither of these blades fit the sheath in the reverse direction so this is how they were made. I suppose it is possible that these differ do to righthand/lefthand preferences. Regarding Wayne's comments on point direction, the wavy one does indeed have the direction of the point bending to the same side as the bend of the hilt, though i am always hesitant to claim "wrong" or "correct" when it comes to these daggers as i do not believe we really know enough about them to make such definitive statements. Just as the pommels don't always bend to the same side i am open to the concept that the point of the wavy dagger might also vary from time to time. Attached Images

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19th January 2015, 12:03 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	As I said, either this one is an aberration, or the artisan may not have been Moro.

19th January 2015, 01:00 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	a possibility. as long as you are satisfied with it. a minor aberration. makes it more unusual.

19th January 2015, 04:34 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	When I tried reversing the blade, it didn't fit into the scabbard well nor would it fit the handle well. What you see not only is the best fit but seems to be the original fit and orientation.

24th January 2015, 12:49 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,197	After I was outbid 2012 by this one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=gunong I was now able to acquire a nearly similar gunong, maybe from the same workshop, not antique, maybe WWII area, but very good worked IMHO. Here are the pictures from the seller. Will post some more pictures when I have received it and have given it some maintenance. Attached Images

26th January 2015, 07:23 AM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, I really like these knives and though not antique they are very interesting. Because of the good workmanship, nice form and the fact that it's so unique I had even put a modest bid on this when I first saw it, but I was quickly outbid. At least now you won't be as disapointed about not winning the first one seeing that you have been able to acquire this one for your collection. I agree with Rick when he said: "wouldn't this make a great visual deterrent to a potential attacker when seen from twenty feet away, or across a room ." I think that this would be especially true if the room wasn't well lit. I am looking forward to it arriving to see just how well made it actually is. Again, my congratulations to you for winning this most interesting piece. Best, Robert