My Katar Collection

[JamesKelly]

Peacocks?
Well, I suppose you jest, but you have an amazing eye, to recognize a stylized peacock (your 5 Jan '05 blade, 8 Oct '14 note to Runjeet
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=Katars
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=Katars )

I don't know which is the peacock in either of those

If there are any here, might you point them out?

[Jens Nordlunde]

Ok have a look at this picture, and tell me that you dont see two peacocks.
I would recommend you to get books on the subject. I have six or seven meters of them, so there are enougt to choose from. A real/interested collector will buy books on the subject of interest, and not always rely on the answers given on a forum.
Jens

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ok have a look at this picture, and tell me that you dont see two peacocks.
I would recommend you to get books on the subject. I have six or seven meters of them, so there are enougt to choose from. A real/interested collector will buy books on the subject of interest, and not always rely on the answers given on a forum.
Jens

Jens, James actually does have at least some books on the subject (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18480) but I think your answer is rather rude. Not everyone has a large enough interest to warrant purchasing a lot of books, and if you are going to tell James this why not tell each and every person who asks a question here the same thing?

I would recommend you to get books on the subject. I have six or seven meters of them, so there are enougt to choose from. A real/interested collector will buy books on the subject of interest, and not always rely on the answers given on a forum.

If you resent answering questions then simply ignore them. You are very knowledgeable but that is not how you teach someone, you could have simply pointed out the peacocks that are obvious to you but invisible to others.

[Jens Nordlunde]

I did not mean to be rude - sorry.
About the peacocks - I just pointed them out.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Jens, James actually does have at least some books on the subject (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18480) but I think your answer is rather rude. Not everyone has a large enough interest to warrant purchasing a lot of books, and if you are going to tell James this why not tell each and every person who asks a question here the same thing? If you resent answering questions then simply ignore them. You are very knowledgeable but that is not how you teach someone, you could have simply pointed out the peacocks that are obvious to you but invisible to others.

Like many members here, despite his excellent English, it is not Jens' first language and stylistic or cultural nuance can be missed. As I have grown very familiar with his personality and posting style, Jens' posts on this thread were not, to me, rude or insensitive at all. However, I can understand how others, not as familiar with him, could misconstrue his playful comments.

Frankly, whenever I see a post on Indian arms/armour, it is Jens' responses I most look forward to reading...

[Jens Nordlunde]

Thank you very much Andrew.
Maybe I better stop writing on the forum and only look now and again, so I dont offend others.
Jens

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Thank you very much Andrew.
Maybe I better stop writing on the forum and only look now and again, so I dont offend others.
Jens

Yes, I agree. And you should divest yourself of any over-decorated, gaudy gold/silver/gem encrusted weapons collecting dust in your collection, too. I'll even split the shipping cost to my address in the US with you.

[JamesKelly]

Don't believe them, Jens - I am not offended.

Personally, words like "arrogant" and "prickly individual" have been used to describe me where I worked.

Yes, I do see the peacock your posted this time.

Having been primarily a gun & American history guy for the last three-score years, my 54-page book list has only recently added maybe 16 books on various ethnographic knives.

I really would appreciate some suggestions of books with illustrations of those stylized peacocks.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Thank you very much Andrew.
Maybe I better stop writing on the forum and only look now and again, so I dont offend others.
Jens

Jens your incredible knowledge on the subject is well known and respected by anyone who has read your posts, people who do not have much knowledge on the subject often do not post because they are afraid that the experts on the subject will view their posts as amateur etc. It would be really helpful to recommend specific books since you obviously have already read the available ones, forum members such as myself many not be able to just start buying books randomly but if we know which book would help us with the item being discussed that would be of great use.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Like many members here, despite his excellent English, it is not Jens' first language and stylistic or cultural nuance can be missed. As I have grown very familiar with his personality and posting style, Jens' posts on this thread were not, to me, rude or insensitive at all. However, I can understand how others, not as familiar with him, could misconstrue his playful comments.

Frankly, whenever I see a post on Indian arms/armour, it is Jens' responses I most look forward to reading...

Andrew, Jen currently has 1,666 posts here dating back to 2004, he is obviously intelligent and he know exactly how he is coming across. these two statements from him say it all.

Maybe I better stop writing on the forum and only look now and again, so I dont offend others.

I wish you all the best, as I think I will stop writing on the forum, so others can take over.

What a mature attitude, he will take his toys and go home if anyone dares to mention the obvious, of course he has the right to act any way he wants and forum members can pretend its perfectly alright with them so that they can obtain some little nuggets of Jens wisdom which he will begrudgingly toss their way occasionally.

researching as I have for decades

, I know many people on several different forums who have been researching various arms and armor related subjects for decades as well and they freely give their advice without such childish outbursts. I myself have spent many years and considerable amounts of money researching Japanese armor, everything I have learned is available to anyone free of charge, with no snarky comments etc. My images have been given to the public on Wikipedia Commons and I have created several articles on Wikipedia were the references I have used to obtain my knowledge are listed as well for anyone to see and use.

Here are links to Jens articles on the katar for anyone interested, of course you will have to purchase them.

http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/1...3Z.00000000020

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...0#.U-yP6_ldUZw

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Andrew, Jen currently has 1,666 posts here dating back to 2004, he is obviously intelligent and he know exactly how he is coming across. these two statements from him say it all.





What a mature attitude, he will take his toys and go home if anyone dares to mention the obvious, of course he has the right to act any way he wants and forum members can pretend its perfectly alright with them so that they can obtain some little nuggets of Jens wisdom which he will begrudgingly toss their way occasionally.

, I know many people on several different forums who have been researching various arms and armor related subjects for decades as well and they freely give their advice without such childish outbursts. I myself have spent many years and considerable amounts of money researching Japanese armor, everything I have learned is available to anyone free of charge, with no snarky comments etc. My images have been given to the public on Wikipedia Commons and I have created several articles on Wikipedia were the references I have used to obtain my knowledge are listed as well for anyone to see and use.

Here are links to Jens articles on the katar for anyone interested, of course you will have to purchase them.

http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/1...3Z.00000000020

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...0#.U-yP6_ldUZw

Well, I disagree with your take on this. As does the OP, incidentally.

Regardless, I ask that you focus your comments on the item being discussed, rather than on those discussing it.

Andrew

[JamesKelly]

Oh, well.

My son helped clean up my computer a bit.
Naturally we went to this site for pictures of my katar.
Andrew does not collect, nor has he any particular knowledge of, edged weapons.
He looked at mine.
He looked at the one Jens posted 10 Aug 03:45 pm
He immediately pointed out the two peacocks on my blade, which I had not been able to see (the other two are still a bit vague to me)

Oh, well.

I'm sure I'll find Zebrowski and Hamza's adventures interesting, once abebooks sends them.

Aaagh.