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10th November 2013, 10:49 PM
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But the fine tooling is another dimension!  Spiral |
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11th November 2013, 11:56 PM
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The whole Kopis-machiera-yataghan question is one that has had me thinking for some time. Below are some of my collected pics from a variety of sources, alas I neglected to nail the references to them at the time. The first set were described as a Byzantine short sword I attach the label with the pics. I found them at an online museum called the "World Museum of Man" I will post the others if I can pin down their provenance
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12th November 2013, 12:48 AM
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It also looks like the bolster assembly on the Suleiman yataghan consists of two different pieces fixed on either side of the blade, not one piece brazed over. Emanuel |
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8th July 2014, 09:44 PM
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Hello,
Here is another yataghana ttributed to Suleiman II, the Magnificent, held at the Tokapi. Emanuel Last edited by Emanuel; 8th July 2014 at 09:57 PM. |
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9th July 2014, 06:42 PM
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The dragon and phoenix motif with stylized clouds is absolutely of Chinese origin. Very similar examples can be found in Persian carpets, and are usually attributed to the Mongols' habit of moving entire villages of artisans combined with trade along the Silk Road.
Given the places being discussed, Greece, North India, the Balkans, and Turkey, the Silk Road seems a possible method of cross pollination, but the Mongols seem a more significant source. It is interesting to think of the great flows of ideas leading to these knives. Alexander headed East and the Mongols headed West along much of the same territory. |
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9th July 2014, 11:47 PM
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"The dragon and phoenix motif with stylized clouds" actaually is a motif that can be found heavily in Ottoman art. It is a common motif especially in "Saz Üslubu" school of Ottoman art that was very popular in Kanuni Suleiman I's era, popularized by Ottoman painter "Şahkulu" in that time. This blade's decoration is a very famous and typical example of "Saz Üslubu".
These two yataghans of Kanuni Suleiman I are made by Ahmet Tekeli, the court jeweler. Last edited by Sancar; 10th July 2014 at 10:31 PM. |
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10th July 2014, 12:07 PM
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Sancar,
What evidence do we have that this ( and, potentilly, other) yataghan were made specifically by Ahmet Tekelu, the enigmatic master? Any signatures on the yataghans? Any mention of this particular master in the roster of court armourers/ jewelers? Any contemporary records mentioning him as the manufacturer? |
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10th July 2014, 02:55 PM
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Hello,
There is the blade manufacturer, and the blade decorator. Was Ahmet Tekelu's workshop decorating or forging the blades? I am waiting for permission to post a picture of what looks like an identical yataghan without the decorations, from the collection of the Madrid Royal Armoury. Incidentally, I am still searching for images of early yataghan from the Siege of Vienna, without any luck. Emanuel |
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