Kampilan Variations

Battara · 1st July 2013, 04:47 AM

All the blades seem original to me. The hilts are not: the first 2 are of recent manufacture.

The 3rd one seems to have all parts original as far as I can tell.

If you use this site's search engine you can find more info on kampilans and there variations.

Must admit I like to go kamping to, though I am very picky.

And by the way, most kamps in the Philippines come from the Maranao or Magindanao tribes of Moros.

drac2k · 1st July 2013, 05:09 AM

Thanks for your comments, I agree.Any idea on the brass handled variation.

VANDOO · 1st July 2013, 07:51 PM

NICE SELECTION OF KAMPILIAN VARIATIONS.

THE QUESTION IS
1.DID A MORO PUT THE BRASS HANDLE OF THE ENEMY ON A KAMP. BLADE OR 2.DID A NON MORO PUT THE HANDLE ON THE KAMP. BLADE? I SUSPECT CHOICE 2.
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF VARIATIONS
1. DESCRIBED AS A LUZON KAMPILIAN WITH HORN HANDLE AND STEEL GAURD, BRASS FERULE AND POMEL NUT.THE BLADE AND HANDLE GOES TOGETHER AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A RECENT COMBINATION LIKE SOME, HORN SHOWS GOOD AGE AND USE. KAMPILIAN BLADE DIFFERENT FROM MORO WORKMANSHIP.
2. WOOD HANDLE AND GAURD OF THE MORE COMMON FORM WITH A BLADE WITH WAVES FORGED INTO IT AND DESIGN CUT INTO BLADE.

drac2k · 1st July 2013, 10:03 PM

Those are really nice; I especially like the kampilan that starts off in a serpentine style and then straightens out! Any history on the items, or is that lost as it usually is ?

Battara · 2nd July 2013, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Thanks for your comments, I agree.Any idea on the brass handled variation.

Well the brass handle is either from a French or US Civil War artillery sword and does not originally belong but was placed on there at a later date, probably by a later American owner.

drac2k · 2nd July 2013, 04:43 AM

While this is possible, I don't think an American collector would sacrifice an !870 Ames Naval short sword (I have one and it matches perfectly), for what he thought might be an inferior sword. Whoever did it, did a great job, as it is penned, with no movement; the only American possibility, would be Bannerman, who did take poetic license with a lot of weapons.Guess I'll try to find one of my old Bannerman catalogs where they have kampilans for $5.00, Sundangs for$3.00,.....................and see if I can find a match.

1st July 2013, 07:51 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	NICE SELECTION OF KAMPILIAN VARIATIONS. THE QUESTION IS 1.DID A MORO PUT THE BRASS HANDLE OF THE ENEMY ON A KAMP. BLADE OR 2.DID A NON MORO PUT THE HANDLE ON THE KAMP. BLADE? I SUSPECT CHOICE 2. HERE ARE A COUPLE OF VARIATIONS 1. DESCRIBED AS A LUZON KAMPILIAN WITH HORN HANDLE AND STEEL GAURD, BRASS FERULE AND POMEL NUT.THE BLADE AND HANDLE GOES TOGETHER AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A RECENT COMBINATION LIKE SOME, HORN SHOWS GOOD AGE AND USE. KAMPILIAN BLADE DIFFERENT FROM MORO WORKMANSHIP. 2. WOOD HANDLE AND GAURD OF THE MORE COMMON FORM WITH A BLADE WITH WAVES FORGED INTO IT AND DESIGN CUT INTO BLADE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 1st July 2013 at 08:02 PM.

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1st July 2013, 04:47 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	All the blades seem original to me. The hilts are not: the first 2 are of recent manufacture. The 3rd one seems to have all parts original as far as I can tell. If you use this site's search engine you can find more info on kampilans and there variations. Must admit I like to go kamping to, though I am very picky. And by the way, most kamps in the Philippines come from the Maranao or Magindanao tribes of Moros.

1st July 2013, 05:09 AM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks for your comments, I agree.Any idea on the brass handled variation.

1st July 2013, 10:03 PM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Those are really nice; I especially like the kampilan that starts off in a serpentine style and then straightens out! Any history on the items, or is that lost as it usually is ?

2nd July 2013, 04:43 AM	#6
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	While this is possible, I don't think an American collector would sacrifice an !870 Ames Naval short sword (I have one and it matches perfectly), for what he thought might be an inferior sword. Whoever did it, did a great job, as it is penned, with no movement; the only American possibility, would be Bannerman, who did take poetic license with a lot of weapons.Guess I'll try to find one of my old Bannerman catalogs where they have kampilans for $5.00, Sundangs for$3.00,.....................and see if I can find a match.