silver keris toli-toli ( comments pls)

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Years ago I saw a woman in Bali carry a board loaded with bricks that were stacked on it by two other women. That board was nearly 3 feet square and the bricks were piled maybe 6 or 8 high. I didn't count them, but my memory tells me there were a lot of them. She carried those bricks from a truck, across rough ground to a building job, maybe 200 yards. In rural Bali and Jawa its mostly women who do the heavy work, not men.

Our society could learn a lot from traditional Balinese society.

Agree!

[Jean]

Thank you Alan.

[mykeris]

Dear friends,
since we have mixed opinions on this matter , I have referred my earlier posting of this keris to a Malay keris Silver expert in Kelantan, Malaysia. After viewing a closer image of the silver work, he said:' filigree silver work seems to made in the very early 1900s. Tq.

[David]

Originally Posted by mykeris

Dear friends,
since we have mixed opinions on this matter , I have referred my earlier posting of this keris to a Malay keris Silver expert in Kelantan, Malaysia. After viewing a closer image of the silver work, he said:' filigree silver work seems to made in the very early 1900s. Tq.

Well, "experts" say the funniest things sometimes, don't they. I will continue to believe that the first keris sheath that started this thread is a rather contemporary piece. Your mileage may differ...

[Battara]

I will agree that as one who works with metals, filigree is much more difficult than the chasing work.

[mykeris]

Originally Posted by David

Well, "experts" say the funniest things sometimes, don't they. I will continue to believe that the first keris sheath that started this thread is a rather contemporary piece. Your mileage may differ...

"Sorry David, even the Foreign Expert Alan Maisey made a wrong judgement in one of those keris threads (hope you remember) "regarding .. whether the sheath really belongs to the blade" and one member of this forum Alam Shah stood by his opinion using 'LOGIC'...if you could remember.

I always agree with Alan, you cannot authenticate an item with 100 percent result without it seeing physically. I learned from his professional statement.TQ

Views differ..and Learning will never end !

[Rick]

Opinions; well, everyone has one .

[A. G. Maisey]

My Keris, firstly, I am not an expert.

Most especially I am not an expert on all types of keris from everywhere.

I do have a little bit of knowledge in respect of some very limited matters associated with Javanese, Madurese and Balinese keris.

I have spent a very long time in the study of the culture, society and history associated with the keris prior to its spread into areas of SE Asia other than its original cultural location.

But I am certainly no expert.

One thing I am not able to do is to give any guarantee at all in respect of any opinion I may give based upon what I can see in a photograph. I do recognise this inadequacy, and I freely admit that I do not have the psychic abilities of some other people which permits them to give solid opinions based upon photographs.

Regarding the wrong judgement which I made, and which you quote in your recent post, I would be very obliged if could refresh my memory by directing me to that thread. Thanks.

[David]

Originally Posted by mykeris

I always agree with Alan, you cannot authenticate an item with 100 percent result without it seeing physically. I learned from his professional statement.TQ

So your expert made his assessment based solely on a photograph and yet you accept that opinion 100%? Interesting.
Here is a link to the original auction BTW, with more photos. This link won't stay live for ever, but i don't have the energy to copy all the images to this forum for future reference.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Silv...-/230974832804

[David]

Originally Posted by mykeris

"Sorry David, even the Foreign Expert Alan Maisey made a wrong judgement in one of those keris threads (hope you remember) "regarding .. whether the sheath really belongs to the blade" and one member of this forum Alam Shah stood by his opinion using 'LOGIC'...if you could remember.

And frankly, no, i don't quite remember this so you would indeed need to refresh my memory, though i don't quite see how it is relevant to this thread or why you feel the need to refer to Alan as "the Foreign Expert".