Batak sword?

Sajen · 1st March 2013, 12:31 AM

This one just ended by ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Nice-19...vip=true&rt=nc
I was outbid but think that the happy winner have get it for a very very good price, hopefully someone from the forum.

I think that it is a Batak sword but frankly said I never have seen something similar before. I would like to know if someone is able to enlighten me.

Sajen · 1st March 2013, 12:32 AM

some more pictures.

kai · 1st March 2013, 09:00 AM

Hello Detlef,

Quote:

I think that it is a Batak sword but frankly said I never have seen something similar before.

Sure, Batak: Pakpak tribe. Nice knife with blade in ladingin shape; need to check where I saw a similar hilt - will try to post a pic.

Regards,
Kai

T. Koch · 1st March 2013, 12:54 PM

Hi Detlef!

Killer sword bro - I love the hilt and fittings! The blade (lading, as kai says) and especially scabbard says Batak to me too, although I haven't seen a similar hilt in my (rather diminutive) collection of material on the Batak. Most often, I've seen the lading with a Babah Buya hilt. Love the color and structure of the horn - and is that a very cool native repair we see on the ridge?

I have no doubt that kai will be back with a photo of a match.

Hope you have a great weekend guys, - Thor

T. Koch · 1st March 2013, 01:00 PM

...just clicked on the link and saw the price - holy crap that was cheap! Hope it went to someone around here?

Maurice · 1st March 2013, 01:13 PM

Very nice sword!
A pity you got outbid on this one...

I think the blade is a typicall amanremu blade.

Maurice

asomotif · 1st March 2013, 01:21 PM

Nice sword.

The hilt makes me think of lopah petawaran hilts. although the cutting edge in reversed on them.

The end cap of the hilt is a repair. Wonder if the shape and length of this cap is original, or was it longer, as with the Lopah Petwaran handles

can we call this a "hulu paroh blesekan" ?

Best regards,
Willem

kai · 1st March 2013, 11:00 PM

Hello Thor,

Quote:

and is that a very cool native repair we see on the ridge?

I believe that the seller is correct that there was a metal (probably silver) piece attached (with 2 brass pins) which is now missing.

Quote:

I have no doubt that kai will be back with a photo of a match.

Don't hold your breath though - I seem to remember seing something like this hilt but my active memory still refuses to give a hint...

Regards,
Kai

kai · 1st March 2013, 11:09 PM

Hello Maurice,

Quote:

I think the blade is a typicall amanremu blade.

Yes, very similar. Some ladingin also come with this type of blade.

Note that this is small (blade 11.5 inches = 29 cm) - should handle more like a knife rather than a sword.

Regards,
Kai

kai · 1st March 2013, 11:19 PM

Hello Willem,

Quote:

The end cap of the hilt is a repair. Wonder if the shape and length of this cap is original, or was it longer, as with the Lopah Petwaran handles

What hints do you see for a later repair? From the pics, I believe this could be en suite with the ferrule.

Quote:

The hilt makes me think of lopah petawaran hilts. although the cutting edge in reversed on them.

can we call this a "hulu paroh blesekan" ?

Given the multitude of names for hilts from many of the ethnic groups all over N Sumatra, I'd guess that this quite distinct hilt did have a special name, too.

It seems quite possible that all these hilts with long protrusions developed from a common base/idea though!

Regards,
Kai

asomotif · 1st March 2013, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

What hints do you see for a later repair? From the pics, I believe this could be en suite with the ferrule.

Hello Kai,

Please check this picture.
There is definately a difference in the silverwire pattern, as well as the refinement of this silverwork.

Maurice · 2nd March 2013, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Note that this is small (blade 11.5 inches = 29 cm) - should handle more like a knife rather than a sword.

Haha missed that! Would be a very tiny amanremu blade than..

Regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 3rd March 2013, 10:52 PM

Thank you all for comment!

I am also haven't seen that it is so small!

Battara · 4th March 2013, 01:27 AM

Ok I just handled this piece this weekend here at the Louisville show. IT is a nice piece but small - more of a dagger size, not a sword.

Almost bought it, but bought other stuff at the show.........

VVV · 4th March 2013, 10:12 AM

I have my doubts: there are no other hilts like this found in any reference works; the blade is much smaller than usual; it was originally sold by a Sumatran dealer who seems to "renovate" old blades now and then.

Michael

asomotif · 5th March 2013, 12:42 AM

[QUOTE=VVV it was originally sold by a Sumatran dealer who seems to "renovate" old blades now and then.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, my great fear.
When offered from a suspicious seller, your are warned.
But when it shows up in a different setting, your are less careful and hope to have found a rare variation....

1st March 2013, 12:31 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Batak sword? This one just ended by ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Nice-19...vip=true&rt=nc I was outbid but think that the happy winner have get it for a very very good price, hopefully someone from the forum. I think that it is a Batak sword but frankly said I never have seen something similar before. I would like to know if someone is able to enlighten me. Attached Images

1st March 2013, 12:32 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	some more pictures. Attached Images

1st March 2013, 01:21 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Nice sword. The hilt makes me think of lopah petawaran hilts. although the cutting edge in reversed on them. The end cap of the hilt is a repair. Wonder if the shape and length of this cap is original, or was it longer, as with the Lopah Petwaran handles can we call this a "hulu paroh blesekan" ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

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1st March 2013, 12:54 PM	#4
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Hi Detlef! Killer sword bro - I love the hilt and fittings! The blade (lading, as kai says) and especially scabbard says Batak to me too, although I haven't seen a similar hilt in my (rather diminutive) collection of material on the Batak. Most often, I've seen the lading with a Babah Buya hilt. Love the color and structure of the horn - and is that a very cool native repair we see on the ridge? I have no doubt that kai will be back with a photo of a match. Hope you have a great weekend guys, - Thor

1st March 2013, 01:00 PM	#5
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	...just clicked on the link and saw the price - holy crap that was cheap! Hope it went to someone around here?

1st March 2013, 01:13 PM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,349	Very nice sword! A pity you got outbid on this one... I think the blade is a typicall amanremu blade. Maurice

3rd March 2013, 10:52 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Thank you all for comment! I am also haven't seen that it is so small!

4th March 2013, 01:27 AM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Ok I just handled this piece this weekend here at the Louisville show. IT is a nice piece but small - more of a dagger size, not a sword. Almost bought it, but bought other stuff at the show.........

4th March 2013, 10:12 AM	#15
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I have my doubts: there are no other hilts like this found in any reference works; the blade is much smaller than usual; it was originally sold by a Sumatran dealer who seems to "renovate" old blades now and then. Michael

5th March 2013, 12:42 AM	#16
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	[QUOTE=VVV it was originally sold by a Sumatran dealer who seems to "renovate" old blades now and then. [/QUOTE] Yes, my great fear. When offered from a suspicious seller, your are warned. But when it shows up in a different setting, your are less careful and hope to have found a rare variation....