semi-dual edged badik?

T. Koch · 17th February 2013, 07:20 PM

Interesting. When you say 'sea ivory' which species are you exactly referring to? I am not familiar with any marine ivory both displaying lamellar growth like that, and at the same time showing cracks along the axis shown above. Then again, there's probably a lot of sea mammals whose teeth I haven't seen myself - especially tropical ones.

I know that 'dots in a row' in ivory, is sometimes associated with hippo tusks and their inner interstitial zone (TIZ), but the TIZ wouldn't take the direction shown in a cross section like the one above, unless your badik is very small. How long is the hilt btw?

From the picture above, I would still bet on blonde horn - unless you are sure that it is definitely tooth. In that case, it would be interesting to see a macro straight on the very end, as well as one perpendicular to the length of the hilt.

Sorry for the long ramble - nerding ivory is kindof what I do.

Sweet looking badik regardless!

All the best, - Thor

Sajen · 17th February 2013, 07:59 PM

Hello Thor, you know what I would say!?

T. Koch · 17th February 2013, 08:10 PM

Hahaha, I do, I do - but hear me out bro!

If you look at the dots going across the bottom of the hilt, I just can't see any way that you can align this row with the TIZ running lengthwise along the inside of the tusk? Unless the above hilt is only like 3 - 4 cm long, the direction doesn't fit.

It's totally different from the badik hilt you posted recently. In yours the hilt aligns up nicely with the curve of a hippopotamus tusk and also remember - I agreed with you on that one!

Sajen · 17th February 2013, 10:42 PM

Maybe Moshah can enlighten us? What he think it is? And how long is the hilt?

Moshah · 18th February 2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

When you say 'sea ivory' which species are you exactly referring to?

The real problem over here is that people are referring to sea ivory as "gigi" (i.e tooth), hence the better understanding and futher classification of sea ivory was somewhat fall short, because of the generalization of terming that has become a common practice around...

Quote:

Originally Posted by T. Koch

I know that 'dots in a row' in ivory, is sometimes associated with hippo tusks and their inner interstitial zone (TIZ), but the TIZ wouldn't take the direction shown in a cross section like the one above, unless your badik is very small. How long is the hilt btw?

The "dots in a row" was my ultimate indicator of a sea ivory, but again I am not so sure on rhino or hippo horns. The hilt was not big, about 5.8cm long...

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

From the picture above, I would still bet on blonde horn - unless you are sure that it is definitely tooth. In that case, it would be interesting to see a macro straight on the very end, as well as one perpendicular to the length of the hilt.

Blonde horn? You mean, hippo?
Attached were a series of pictures, where I believe would assist you in the further effort of it's ID. In the first pix I've highlighted the dots on the bottom and on the surface of the hilt, for easier identification.

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

Sorry for the long ramble - nerding ivory is kindof what I do.

Don't be, Thor, as what you do is something that I would like to do as well!

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17th February 2013, 07:20 PM	#1
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Interesting. When you say 'sea ivory' which species are you exactly referring to? I am not familiar with any marine ivory both displaying lamellar growth like that, and at the same time showing cracks along the axis shown above. Then again, there's probably a lot of sea mammals whose teeth I haven't seen myself - especially tropical ones. I know that 'dots in a row' in ivory, is sometimes associated with hippo tusks and their inner interstitial zone (TIZ), but the TIZ wouldn't take the direction shown in a cross section like the one above, unless your badik is very small. How long is the hilt btw? From the picture above, I would still bet on blonde horn - unless you are sure that it is definitely tooth. In that case, it would be interesting to see a macro straight on the very end, as well as one perpendicular to the length of the hilt. Sorry for the long ramble - nerding ivory is kindof what I do. Sweet looking badik regardless! All the best, - Thor

17th February 2013, 07:59 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,658	Hello Thor, you know what I would say!?

17th February 2013, 08:10 PM	#3
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Hahaha, I do, I do - but hear me out bro! If you look at the dots going across the bottom of the hilt, I just can't see any way that you can align this row with the TIZ running lengthwise along the inside of the tusk? Unless the above hilt is only like 3 - 4 cm long, the direction doesn't fit. It's totally different from the badik hilt you posted recently. In yours the hilt aligns up nicely with the curve of a hippopotamus tusk and also remember - I agreed with you on that one!

17th February 2013, 10:42 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,658	Maybe Moshah can enlighten us? What he think it is? And how long is the hilt?