Philippine Insurrection Era Kriss ...or later??

Rick · 2nd January 2013, 05:57 PM

Re your question, Charles :

Smiths in Indonesia still make keris today with separate gangjas .
So I would posit that it is not safe to assume that this feature uniformly died out at a certain date with the kris of the Moros .

CharlesS · 2nd January 2013, 06:16 PM

I couldn't agree more Rick, but it has been a generalised rule for dating Moro krisses...key term...generalized!

Battara · 2nd January 2013, 08:19 PM

I do think that the separable ganga observations still have weight. The separable ganga probably did not suddenly stop but digressed over time. I still think that most separable gangas on kris died out by the 1930s or a little later. It may either push the date a little later or this example may be an exception to the pattern.

Also Dimasalang has a great point. I have been aware of the attempt from the Republican forces to woe help from the Moros, but seeing a kris on an officer is a new one for me. Thanks for sharing the picture. Hope you do find more information on this man.

Sajen · 2nd January 2013, 08:33 PM

Very interesting kris and interesting discussion.

What nobody mentioned until now: is this kris worked for a lefthanding person?

Regards,

Detlef

CharlesS · 2nd January 2013, 10:53 PM

I agree Battara that pic is a mind blower!

Sajen, yes this was apparently for a left hander.

David · 3rd January 2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Sajen, yes this was apparently for a left hander.

I'm not sure that is necessarily so. Look at how these two Moro warriors wear their kris with the "elephant trunk" side of the blade facing upwards.

Bangkaya · 3rd January 2013, 04:48 AM

The ukkil on the seki kura hilt and on the scabbard looks Sulu...I'm leaning towards Yakan and not Tausug.

The orientation on how a kris or kalis is worn (whether "tachi" or "katana" style) is dependent on the owner, but more importantly the style of silat he practices...not which side of the scabbard is fancier.

Regards,
Bangkaya

2nd January 2013, 08:19 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,371	I do think that the separable ganga observations still have weight. The separable ganga probably did not suddenly stop but digressed over time. I still think that most separable gangas on kris died out by the 1930s or a little later. It may either push the date a little later or this example may be an exception to the pattern. Also Dimasalang has a great point. I have been aware of the attempt from the Republican forces to woe help from the Moros, but seeing a kris on an officer is a new one for me. Thanks for sharing the picture. Hope you do find more information on this man. Last edited by Battara; 2nd January 2013 at 08:34 PM.

2nd January 2013, 08:33 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,555	Very interesting kris and interesting discussion. What nobody mentioned until now: is this kris worked for a lefthanding person? Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 2nd January 2013 at 11:31 PM.

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2nd January 2013, 05:57 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,387	Re your question, Charles : Smiths in Indonesia still make keris today with separate gangjas . So I would posit that it is not safe to assume that this feature uniformly died out at a certain date with the kris of the Moros .

2nd January 2013, 06:16 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I couldn't agree more Rick, but it has been a generalised rule for dating Moro krisses...key term...generalized!

2nd January 2013, 10:53 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I agree Battara that pic is a mind blower! Sajen, yes this was apparently for a left hander.

3rd January 2013, 04:48 AM	#7
Bangkaya Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 38	The ukkil on the seki kura hilt and on the scabbard looks Sulu...I'm leaning towards Yakan and not Tausug. The orientation on how a kris or kalis is worn (whether "tachi" or "katana" style) is dependent on the owner, but more importantly the style of silat he practices...not which side of the scabbard is fancier. Regards, Bangkaya