BLUNDERBUSS FROM YORK MAIL

spiral · 27th February 2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Hi Spiral,

As I regret having digressed from the original topic of this thread - and have already apologized for the same to Cerjak - I would invite you to PM me with an email address if you would like to continue the discussion about this particular knife, which I would be happy to do.

Regards,
Chris

Cheers Chris I agree we shouldnt hijack this thread further, althought I must say that although I am always pleased to learn & admit errors, the pilling of one fake or {perhaps just radicaly missdated knife?} upon another doesnt realy answear the questian. {Athough the Cowans piece when one sees the badly dyed & even ground stag & single rivet, certaly never came from 19th century Sheffield.}

Someone puts a lot of sans serif "civil war" knives into Cowans for auction I notice.

Perhaps we should start a new thread on these pieces & markings?

But if you choose not to my email is spiraltwista@aol.com

Regards,
Jonathan

laEspadaAncha · 27th February 2012, 11:22 PM

Jonathan,

Wouldn't you think that if all these examples were "fake" as you (IMO erroneously) are so quick to claim, that maybe... just maybe, someone - just one person - might have gone on record stating as much?

The first example I posted was, as I wrote, originally posted on BF, and is from a museum-quality collection owned by an esteemed collector. Don't you think BRL would have chimed in if he had found the example to be anything less than authentic? When has he ever not?

Flayderman also shows multiple documented examples of pre-Civil War knives in his treatise on the Bowie knife (link here), made in Sheffield, for the American market, that clearly show the use of a sans serif font.

Once again - if you can find me one... just one example of a "fake" imported knock-off that executed the well-known "U*S" trademark as present and as it appears on my example, I will very seriously consider sending you the knife. For free. Of course, you will understand if I don't hold my breath, as such as example will not be forthcoming.

Again, I believe the evidence in support of the use of sans serif fonts in England by the mid-19th century is insurmountable. Anyway, I will expand further in the new thread dedicated to this discussion, here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...779#post134779

Regards,

Chris

spiral · 27th February 2012, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Jonathan,

Wouldn't you think that if all these examples were "fake" as you (IMO erroneously) are so quick to claim, that maybe... just maybe, someone - just one person - might have gone on record stating as much?

The first example I posted was, as I wrote, originally posted on BF, and is from a museum-quality collection owned by an esteemed collector. Don't you think BRL would have chimed in if he had found the example to be anything less than authentic? When has he ever not?

Flayderman also shows multiple documented examples of pre-Civil War knives in his treatise on the Bowie knife (link here), made in Sheffield, for the American market, that clearly show the use of a sans serif font.

Once again - if you can find me one... just one example of a "fake" imported knock-off that executed the well-known "U*S" trademark as present and as it appears on my example, I will very seriously consider sending you the knife. For free. Of course, you will understand if I don't hold my breath, as such as example will not be forthcoming.

Again, I believe the evidence in support of the use of sans serif fonts in England by the mid-19th century is insurmountable. Anyway, I will expand further in the new thread dedicated to this discussion, here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...779#post134779

Regards,

Chris

The point of suggesting the new thread Chris was to stop the Hijacking.

sorry Cerjak...

spiral

laEspadaAncha · 28th February 2012, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

The point of suggesting the new thread Chris was to stop the Hijacking.

sorry Cerjak...

spiral

The relevance of the establishment of the use of a sans serif font, while I agree is deserving of its own thread, is nonetheless entirely relevant to this thread for the aforementioned reasons.

Cerjak · 2nd March 2012, 03:41 PM

You was right and as usually Fernando your felling was good .
After had removed some screw now I have many evidences to confirm yours opinion that it was a XXI th Century production and you could see it with those photos .( sorry for quality but enough to see)
This afternoon I will send back to this auction company who had sold me as "royal mail Blunderbuss from the 19 th century from the city of York"
AGAIN THANK YOU !
CERJAK

fernando · 2nd March 2012, 04:57 PM

Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money

Let's have a drink to that

.

Cerjak · 2nd March 2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money

Let's have a drink to that

.

why not, as you know France it is the country of Champagne !!

2nd March 2012, 03:41 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	This blunderbuss was a fake ! You was right and as usually Fernando your felling was good . After had removed some screw now I have many evidences to confirm yours opinion that it was a XXI th Century production and you could see it with those photos .( sorry for quality but enough to see) This afternoon I will send back to this auction company who had sold me as "royal mail Blunderbuss from the 19 th century from the city of York" AGAIN THANK YOU ! CERJAK Attached Images

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27th February 2012, 11:22 PM	#2
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	Jonathan, Wouldn't you think that if all these examples were "fake" as you (IMO erroneously) are so quick to claim, that maybe... just maybe, someone - just one person - might have gone on record stating as much? The first example I posted was, as I wrote, originally posted on BF, and is from a museum-quality collection owned by an esteemed collector. Don't you think BRL would have chimed in if he had found the example to be anything less than authentic? When has he ever not? Flayderman also shows multiple documented examples of pre-Civil War knives in his treatise on the Bowie knife (link here), made in Sheffield, for the American market, that clearly show the use of a sans serif font. Once again - if you can find me one... just one example of a "fake" imported knock-off that executed the well-known "US" trademark as present and as it appears on my example, I will very seriously consider sending you the knife. For free. Of course, you will understand if I don't hold my breath, as such as example will not be forthcoming. Again, I believe the evidence in support* of the use of sans serif fonts in England by the mid-19th century is insurmountable. Anyway, I will expand further in the new thread dedicated to this discussion, here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...779#post134779 Regards, Chris

2nd March 2012, 04:57 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money Let's have a drink to that .