An Extremely Rare 16th-17th C. Wood-Cased Grape Shot

Matchlock · 26th February 2012, 02:42 PM

Great finds, John, thank you!

Would you consent to my posting the images?

Most remarkable in my mind is the detail where you see that the internal ball load actually fills the canister - and this does make sense physically, in contradistinction to the one at Hermann that we have been discussing ...

And: you are definitely right about the preservation-friendly Swedish climate. I should add, though, that our Bavarian stored items are generally preserved quite fine as well - of course given the fact that they were not acid-treated by some museum member gone rust hysteric ... and that species is by no means extinct!

Best,
Michael

cannonmn · 26th February 2012, 10:16 PM

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Would you consent to my posting the images?

Michael, you would hear no objection from me simply because I have nothing to do with those images.

However in my humble and only partially-knowledgeable opinion, in the U.S. at least, posting the actual photos would qualify as "fair use for educational purposes" since we're not doing this with a profit motive, and we're certainly doing this to educate other members of the forum. As I recall Fair Use is included under section 107 of the Copyright Law of 1976. When material such as these photos are used for educational purposes, the weight of opinion almost always comes down on the side of "fair use."

I don't know the location of the forum's server, but if it is in the U.S., that's the best possible location as far as "fair use" for our purposes here.

Matchlock · 27th February 2012, 04:21 PM

Ok, here they are.

m

Matchlock · 27th February 2012, 04:30 PM

The others.

Matchlock · 27th February 2012, 04:32 PM

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cannonmn · 27th February 2012, 05:54 PM

Michael, thanks again, excellent information, very rare stuff, never have seen it before.

Our Graybeard member "Steelcharge" who found this stuff has one request I am conveying from the other forum:

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I'm not registered on the VS forum, so could you ask if the poster of those pictures could post the link to the lower "quilted grapeshot" in the reply number 16 (or no. xx?)

The info on that same post was for a 12pdr canister and the grapeshot is clearly smaller, probably for 1pdr. The grapeshot above it is also a really small one, for about 1.2" (quarter pounder?) gun, museum info says it's for "muskedunder" which would be a musket-type swivel gun.

Edit: If you are interested in saving some of those pictures on the Museum site, you can download quite high resolution pictures by clicking "Ladda ner bild" under the image.

Matchlock · 28th February 2012, 11:25 AM

John,

It would make identification a lot easier for me if you (or 'Steelcharge') could post the screenshots in question with the museum's inv.nos.

All I did when searching the Armémuseum site was enter the fist link you posted,

http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/things/...count=16&pos=5

and then click my way forward and backward thru the rest there.

Best,
m

26th February 2012, 02:42 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Great finds, John, thank you! Would you consent to my posting the images? Most remarkable in my mind is the detail where you see that the internal ball load actually fills the canister - and this does make sense physically, in contradistinction to the one at Hermann that we have been discussing ... And: you are definitely right about the preservation-friendly Swedish climate. I should add, though, that our Bavarian stored items are generally preserved quite fine as well - of course given the fact that they were not acid-treated by some museum member gone rust hysteric ... and that species is by no means extinct! Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 26th February 2012 at 04:23 PM.

27th February 2012, 04:21 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Ok, here they are. m Attached Images

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28th February 2012, 11:25 AM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	John, It would make identification a lot easier for me if you (or 'Steelcharge') could post the screenshots in question with the museum's inv.nos. All I did when searching the Armémuseum site was enter the fist link you posted, http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/things/...count=16&pos=5 and then click my way forward and backward thru the rest there. Best, m