old interesting talibesque/moroesque sword

tom hyle · 25th December 2004, 08:36 PM

sweet carved dress; cockatoo? ebay no.3770604908

Mare Rosu · 25th December 2004, 11:10 PM

Tom, to help out I am posting the link to the eBay item you are asking about
Hope you don't mind

Gene

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3770604908

VANDOO · 25th December 2004, 11:23 PM

A VERY INTERESTING KNIFE, IT DOSENT LOOK LIKE MAORI CARVING SO I DOUBT IT CAME FROM THERE. IT LOOKS OCEANIC PERHAPS TROBRIAND OR SOLOMON IS. OR SOME OF THE OTHERS IN THE AREA. THE DESIGNS LOOK CLOSER TO NEW GUINEA STYLE, A NICELY DONE KNIFE WITH GOOD AGE. THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT DEFINITELY WORTH A LOOK, WISH i HAD SEEN IT SOONER AS EVEN I COULD HAVE AFFORDED THE PRICE

tom hyle · 26th December 2004, 12:01 AM

I've seen similar styles attributed to islands throughout Indonesia, but my feeling is this is Southern/South-central Philippine.

VANDOO · 27th December 2004, 04:24 AM

THE BASIC SHAPE DOES LOOK LIKE A PHILIPPINE TYPE, ITS JUST THE CARVING THAT DOSENT LOOK PHILIPPINE TO ME. PERHAPS THIS TYPE OF CARVING IS DONE SOMEWHERE IN THE ISLANDS BUT IT ISN'T LIKE ANYTHING I HAVE SEEN FROM THAT AREA.
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS THE DESIGNS WERE INFLUENCED OR BORROWED FROM ANOTHER AREA BY SAILORS FROM THE PHILIPPINES OR COPYED FROM BOOK DESIGNS OR FORIGN ARTEFACTS. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SEEN OTHER EXAMPLES AND CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

Spunjer · 27th December 2004, 02:39 PM

i don't know guys, i was watching this auction myself. having lived in hawaii, the hilt/scabbard has a strong polynesian motif on it...

tom hyle · 27th December 2004, 11:07 PM

The carving on the grip area resembles kris hilts I've seen, while the pommel resembles the cockatoo type of the southern PI. the scabbard and scabbard slide/belt dealie also seem to be pretty closely of the "talibon" type, though the sheath-locker is missing and even seemingly reversed (?). I actually think we might be looking at something particularly old here, with indeed an older style of carving. Alternately, it could be modern cultural cross polination. The beginning of Moby Dick comes to mind, with the Polynesian sailors in the New England port town.

25th December 2004, 08:36 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	old interesting talibesque/moroesque sword sweet carved dress; cockatoo? ebay no.3770604908

25th December 2004, 11:10 PM	#2
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	eBay item Tom, to help out I am posting the link to the eBay item you are asking about Hope you don't mind Gene http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3770604908

27th December 2004, 11:07 PM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	The carving on the grip area resembles kris hilts I've seen, while the pommel resembles the cockatoo type of the southern PI. the scabbard and scabbard slide/belt dealie also seem to be pretty closely of the "talibon" type, though the sheath-locker is missing and even seemingly reversed (?). I actually think we might be looking at something particularly old here, with indeed an older style of carving. Alternately, it could be modern cultural cross polination. The beginning of Moby Dick comes to mind, with the Polynesian sailors in the New England port town. Last edited by tom hyle; 27th December 2004 at 11:11 PM. Reason: missed something

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25th December 2004, 11:23 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY INTERESTING KNIFE, IT DOSENT LOOK LIKE MAORI CARVING SO I DOUBT IT CAME FROM THERE. IT LOOKS OCEANIC PERHAPS TROBRIAND OR SOLOMON IS. OR SOME OF THE OTHERS IN THE AREA. THE DESIGNS LOOK CLOSER TO NEW GUINEA STYLE, A NICELY DONE KNIFE WITH GOOD AGE. THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT DEFINITELY WORTH A LOOK, WISH i HAD SEEN IT SOONER AS EVEN I COULD HAVE AFFORDED THE PRICE

26th December 2004, 12:01 AM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I've seen similar styles attributed to islands throughout Indonesia, but my feeling is this is Southern/South-central Philippine.

27th December 2004, 04:24 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE BASIC SHAPE DOES LOOK LIKE A PHILIPPINE TYPE, ITS JUST THE CARVING THAT DOSENT LOOK PHILIPPINE TO ME. PERHAPS THIS TYPE OF CARVING IS DONE SOMEWHERE IN THE ISLANDS BUT IT ISN'T LIKE ANYTHING I HAVE SEEN FROM THAT AREA. ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS THE DESIGNS WERE INFLUENCED OR BORROWED FROM ANOTHER AREA BY SAILORS FROM THE PHILIPPINES OR COPYED FROM BOOK DESIGNS OR FORIGN ARTEFACTS. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SEEN OTHER EXAMPLES AND CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

27th December 2004, 02:39 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i don't know guys, i was watching this auction myself. having lived in hawaii, the hilt/scabbard has a strong polynesian motif on it...