Celebes keris?

danny1976 · 12th January 2012, 09:49 PM

Hallo Ben ,

IMHO this is a Javanese blade that you have there.
how is the fitting of the blade in the waranka mouth ?

It happens more to see Javanese blades in a bugis sheath , maybe it is already a long time like this , because maybe a Javanese moved to Sumatra and had his ''pusaka'' blade dressed in a ''local'' dress ??

It is just a idea , i dont know

regards ,

Danny

Harley · 12th January 2012, 10:09 PM

Hoi Danny,

I must agree that i am not so sure anymore that it is from Celebes.
The blade fits perfect in the mouth, but it misses the style of a Bugis blade, so it could be it's a redressed Javanese blade.
I had bought this keris 15/20 years ago, and assuming that it was Bugis

,
if it is Javanese the only problem is to make the pesi back straight.
Thanks for your opinion Danny.

regards,
Ben

danny1976 · 12th January 2012, 10:37 PM

Hi Ben,

About the straiten the peksi , If it was mine I would put it in a bankschroef .
if you do that easy it will do no harm.

regards,

danny

Harley · 12th January 2012, 11:13 PM

Thanks Danny,

I think that is the safest way to do it.

regards,
Ben

Maurice · 13th January 2012, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

If it was mine I would put it in a bankschroef .

Danny, I think it's called a benchscrew...

A. G. Maisey · 13th January 2012, 01:07 AM

I normally just put a bit heat into the tang with a gas torch and hammer the tang flat. No need to get it red hot, just warm it up a bit. It only takes a few light taps to straighten.

Sometimes with tang that's not too thick you can just straighten it cold with your fingers.

PenangsangII · 13th January 2012, 02:09 AM

the pamor garap looks like senopaten era garap (or even Majapahit). But the material looks from newer era. I am puzzled too

and ofcourse people of Nusantara move about from island to island even after WWII. Restrictions only took place around 1950s.

Harley · 13th January 2012, 10:55 AM

Thanks Alan, I think it's a good idea to give it a little heat, i would reckon that it makes the change of breaking less.

Thanks PenangsangII for your answer, is there anything that i could do to give you a better view, better pictures or clean the blade?

regards,
Ben

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12th January 2012, 09:49 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hallo Ben , IMHO this is a Javanese blade that you have there. how is the fitting of the blade in the waranka mouth ? It happens more to see Javanese blades in a bugis sheath , maybe it is already a long time like this , because maybe a Javanese moved to Sumatra and had his ''pusaka'' blade dressed in a ''local'' dress ?? It is just a idea , i dont know regards , Danny

12th January 2012, 10:09 PM	#2
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Hoi Danny, I must agree that i am not so sure anymore that it is from Celebes. The blade fits perfect in the mouth, but it misses the style of a Bugis blade, so it could be it's a redressed Javanese blade. I had bought this keris 15/20 years ago, and assuming that it was Bugis , if it is Javanese the only problem is to make the pesi back straight. Thanks for your opinion Danny. regards, Ben

12th January 2012, 10:37 PM	#3
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Ben, About the straiten the peksi , If it was mine I would put it in a bankschroef . if you do that easy it will do no harm. regards, danny

12th January 2012, 11:13 PM	#4
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Danny, I think that is the safest way to do it. regards, Ben

13th January 2012, 01:07 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,192	I normally just put a bit heat into the tang with a gas torch and hammer the tang flat. No need to get it red hot, just warm it up a bit. It only takes a few light taps to straighten. Sometimes with tang that's not too thick you can just straighten it cold with your fingers.

13th January 2012, 02:09 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the pamor garap looks like senopaten era garap (or even Majapahit). But the material looks from newer era. I am puzzled too and ofcourse people of Nusantara move about from island to island even after WWII. Restrictions only took place around 1950s.

13th January 2012, 10:55 AM	#8
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Alan, I think it's a good idea to give it a little heat, i would reckon that it makes the change of breaking less. Thanks PenangsangII for your answer, is there anything that i could do to give you a better view, better pictures or clean the blade? regards, Ben