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[A. G. Maisey]

Thanks Ben. Understood.

[Jean]

Some more specimens of cenangan style hilts having some age.
Best regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

Some more specimens of cenangan style hilts having some age.
Best regards

Jean, why do you believe these specimens have some age?

[Harley]

Thanks Jean,

They are much better looking then the ones i found.
In the last 2 pictures you can see swastika's in the engraving!

regards,
Ben

[Sajen]

Here two more, again taken from the book "Keris Bali Bersejarah".

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Harley

Thanks Jean,

They are much better looking then the ones i found.
In the last 2 pictures you can see swastika's in the engraving!

regards,
Ben

You are right about the engraved swastika Hindu motif which is common in Bali/ Lombok. This polychrome wooden hilt is part of an old family kris from Lombok.
The second hilt made from bone has a turtle skin cover, and the first one is made from bone and black horn.
Best regards
Jean

[Harley]

Thank you Detlef,

The one on the right is very nice!


Jean,

It was kind a strange to see that, but now i get it, thanks for the explanation!

regards,
Ben

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

You are right about the engraved swastika Hindu motif which is common in Bali/ Lombok. This polychrome wooden hilt is part of an old family kris from Lombok.

It is my understanding that the swastika is considered a symbol of Ganesha in Hindu practice.

[A. G. Maisey]

Actually Ganesh adopted the svastika as one of his symbols.

The symbol itself has existed in Hindu belief for very much longer than Ganesh, and in Hindu belief generally it is understood as a positive sign; since Ganesh is the diety who is concerned with beginnings and success, it is fitting that this symbol should have been adopted for use by Ganesh.

Ganesh has probably only existed as a Hindu deity since around the 3rd or 4th century current era, and the sect of Ganapatya where Ganesh is recognised as the supreme deity did not arise until about the 800's or 900's.

In Hindu belief we say "svastika", not "swastika". The root is Sanscrit:- "asti" which means "it is", a positive affirmation. I've forgotten the "su" and "ka" meaings, but I think "su" might be an intensifier, and "ka" indicates the word form.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

Jean, why do you believe these specimens have some age?

Hehe, just because I bought them more than 15 years ago and they were in the same condition as today (used)... Of course I don't mean that they are old, but at least 20 to 30 years.
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hehe, just because I bought them more than 15 years ago and they were in the same condition as today (used)... Of course I don't mean that they are old, but at least 20 to 30 years.
Regards

Fair enough Jean, but that would make them fairly contemporary in my book.