Stick Sword for Comment

Gavin Nugent · 27th May 2011, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

I think it's 30-50 years old, if that helps.

F

I would have said 1980-now

Gav

fearn · 27th May 2011, 06:37 AM

Okay, Gav, 20-50 years. I can go with that. I think it's had time for the leather to get worn and the wood to get a bit of a patina, at least.

F

Gavin Nugent · 27th May 2011, 09:24 AM

The blade appears to be a French M1886 Epee Bayonet, cruciform blade with a slightly re-profiled tip. I have seen these in various canes of various ages from various regions.
Catherine Dike in Cane Curiosa show a couple of examples, one with the edges filed in decoration, figure 29/58 and and another in figure 29/67. Both appear to be the size and taper of these bayonets.

Gav

drdavid · 27th May 2011, 10:32 AM

I dont think the tip is right for an epee, I suspect Gav is on the right track
drd

katana · 27th May 2011, 03:31 PM

I too think Gav is on the right track, a French bayonet that continued to be used in WW1 and later would certainly have been used in North Africa. Many European bayonets ended up reprofiled and mounted locally.

No great age to the fittings but the blade is likely much older and remounted....as I said before these are still carried in some parts of Africa. This could have been carried as a short sword, thrust through a belt.

Regards David

fearn · 27th May 2011, 03:34 PM

I'm going to have to disagree, speaking as the former kid who actually ground down a broken epee blade. To me, it's chevron-shaped in cross section, but I agree that the pictures are less than informative

In any case, Queequeg will have to answer what the cross-section is, especially near the base.

Here's a modern epee (image source) for comparison. Unfortunately it doesn't show the critical part where this blade was sharpened down.

Best,

F

Gavin Nugent · 27th May 2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

I'm going to have to disagree, speaking as the former kid who actually ground down a broken epee blade. To me, it's shaped, but I agree that the pictures are less than informative

In any case, Queequeg will have to answer what the cross-section is, especially near the base.

Here's a modern epee (image source) for comparison. Unfortunately it doesn't show the critical part where this blade was sharpened down.

Best,

F

I could well have misread the images as cruciform where it might be triform.

Gav

27th May 2011, 09:24 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	The blade The blade appears to be a French M1886 Epee Bayonet, cruciform blade with a slightly re-profiled tip. I have seen these in various canes of various ages from various regions. Catherine Dike in Cane Curiosa show a couple of examples, one with the edges filed in decoration, figure 29/58 and and another in figure 29/67. Both appear to be the size and taper of these bayonets. Gav

27th May 2011, 03:34 PM	#6
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	add "chevron-shaped" I'm going to have to disagree, speaking as the former kid who actually ground down a broken epee blade. To me, it's chevron-shaped in cross section, but I agree that the pictures are less than informative In any case, Queequeg will have to answer what the cross-section is, especially near the base. Here's a modern epee (image source) for comparison. Unfortunately it doesn't show the critical part where this blade was sharpened down. Best, F Attached Images Last edited by fearn; 27th May 2011 at 06:33 PM.

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27th May 2011, 06:37 AM	#2
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Okay, Gav, 20-50 years. I can go with that. I think it's had time for the leather to get worn and the wood to get a bit of a patina, at least. F

27th May 2011, 10:32 AM	#4
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	I dont think the tip is right for an epee, I suspect Gav is on the right track drd

27th May 2011, 03:31 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	I too think Gav is on the right track, a French bayonet that continued to be used in WW1 and later would certainly have been used in North Africa. Many European bayonets ended up reprofiled and mounted locally. No great age to the fittings but the blade is likely much older and remounted....as I said before these are still carried in some parts of Africa. This could have been carried as a short sword, thrust through a belt. Regards David