Handgonnes with iron stock

[Spiridonov]

Handgonne from old German historica:

2. pic. 3-5 "Forged iron round barrel in 14 mm calibre with a swamped muzzle and a forge welded hook on the underside. Touch hole on the right side with a powder recess. At the end of the barrel there is a tapered quadrangular tiller with a ring finial. Pitted, corroded surface. Length 77 cm." (c)

[Spiridonov]

Else. Length 860 mm:

[Matchlock]

Hi Alexander,

The first two tiller haquebuts can be closely dated to ca. 1500 and were offered for sale at a Munich auction house.

The third item is a crude modern forgery!

Thanks for posting,
Michael

[Spiridonov]

Thank You for answer, Michael. Do You know anything about horseshoe mark? Do You have photos of handgonnes with iron stock which is 1460-80 years?

[Matchlock]

Hi Alexander,

I do not think that I've seen that horseshoe mark before.

Please see my older thread on tiller guns from the 2nd half of the 15th century:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=tiller+guns

Best,
Michael

[Matchlock]

In the Musée de l'Armée, Paris, inv.no. M.1, ca. 1430, the period when hooks seemed to appear for the first time; made of wrought-iron bars and rings (Stabringgeschütz).

As the touch hole should be situated on top but obviously is not on the photo it seems that the ring bearing the hook is movable and displaced from its working position.


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[fernando]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

In the Musée de l'Armée, Paris, inv.no. M.1, ca. 1430, the period when hooks seemed to appear for the first time; made of wrought-iron bars and rings (Stabringgeschütz).

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What would its caliber be, Michl ?