Little wavy dagger, please help

carlos · 20th April 2011, 06:21 PM

Today had arrived my last adquisition, seems Filipino, but I´m not sure.
The new adquisition is this little dagger, with wood hadle.
Best regards
carlos

Rich · 20th April 2011, 07:22 PM

Carlos -

I guess it could be Filipino, but the work looks more European to me. Nice looking knives where ever it is from.

Rich

Battara · 20th April 2011, 10:02 PM

I guess what throws me is that hilt looks more like a post WWII leg or bed finial. Brass ferrule looks new also. Cross guard - silver?

Still could be PI though. If it really is, could be Ilokano.

migueldiaz · 21st April 2011, 03:29 AM

Nos. 1 & 12 of Krieger's Plate 13 may be related:

"Plate 13 -- Hand weapons for cutting, piercing, and stabbing: Knives and daggers. No. 1. Dagger; triangular sectioned, curved, and pointed blade; single cutting edge; carved wood handle. Quinapundar, Samar Island. 2. Dagger "bala-rao"; hastate shape double-edged blade; handle provided with a peculiar finger-fitting grip consisting of extended tang and two horns; silver ferrule at center. Chief defense weapon of the Mandayan, southeastern Mindanao. 3. Woman's knife. Blade curved, designed for striking a slanting blow. Bagobo, southeastern Mindanao. 4. Plain dirk-dagger having curved blade, ferruled wooden handle, and circular guard. Moro, Mindanao. 5. Serpentine Malay dagger; grotesque dugong ivory carving on hilt. Collected by the United States exploring expedition, 1838-1842, under Admiral Wilkes. 6. Malay dagger; curved wooden pistol shape hilt; characteristic serpentine figure carving; straight-edged blade. Wilkes exploring expedition. 7. Serpentine kris-dagger; plain horn handle; engraved circular silver guard and ferrule. Moro, Mindanao. 8. Malay dagger; laminated blade; figured and carved handle of wood. Dyak, Pasir River, southeast Borneo. 9. Punal de kris; blade chased on surface section near handle; wood handle set in socketed brass ferrule. Moro, Mindanao. 10. Dagger; curved, double-edged blade; curved plain wood handle. Moro, Mindanao. 11. Dagger having saberlike blade; metal guard provided with volute tips; carved wood handle; blade chased and inlaid with soft metal at back. Moro, Jolo. 12. Dagger; serpentine blade; metal cross guard; spiral fluted grip of Camagon wood. 13. "Insurrecto" sword-dagger chased blade, pointed and double edged; cross guard; horn handle inlaid with shell mosaic; symbolically figured pommel."

Robert · 21st April 2011, 03:43 AM

Hello Migueldiaz, A very nice looking dagger you have there. Could you show a picture of the end of the hilt and is the wood of the hilt painted or stained?

Robert

migueldiaz · 21st April 2011, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello Migueldiaz, A very nice looking dagger you have there. Could you show a picture of the end of the hilt and is the wood of the hilt painted or stained?

Hi Robert! It's actually Señor Carlos who owns the dagger

But I'm interested also in seeing more pics of the dagger.

Robert · 21st April 2011, 04:29 AM

Sorry about that.

Carlos, Could you post a picture of the end of the hilt please?

Robert

carlos · 21st April 2011, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Sorry about that.

Carlos, Could you post a picture of the end of the hilp please?

Robert

Of course!!

A.alnakkas · 21st April 2011, 03:23 PM

Hm, isnt Dagger no.11 a flyssa dagger? it seems to even have the kabyle decoration aswell.

DGuertin · 21st April 2011, 09:35 PM

#11 to me looks like some North African hybrid of a flyssa and a Nimcha, or something similar. The specific hilt is familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

21st April 2011, 03:29 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Nos. 1 & 12 of Krieger's Plate 13 may be related: "Plate 13 -- Hand weapons for cutting, piercing, and stabbing: Knives and daggers. No. 1. Dagger; triangular sectioned, curved, and pointed blade; single cutting edge; carved wood handle. Quinapundar, Samar Island. 2. Dagger "bala-rao"; hastate shape double-edged blade; handle provided with a peculiar finger-fitting grip consisting of extended tang and two horns; silver ferrule at center. Chief defense weapon of the Mandayan, southeastern Mindanao. 3. Woman's knife. Blade curved, designed for striking a slanting blow. Bagobo, southeastern Mindanao. 4. Plain dirk-dagger having curved blade, ferruled wooden handle, and circular guard. Moro, Mindanao. 5. Serpentine Malay dagger; grotesque dugong ivory carving on hilt. Collected by the United States exploring expedition, 1838-1842, under Admiral Wilkes. 6. Malay dagger; curved wooden pistol shape hilt; characteristic serpentine figure carving; straight-edged blade. Wilkes exploring expedition. 7. Serpentine kris-dagger; plain horn handle; engraved circular silver guard and ferrule. Moro, Mindanao. 8. Malay dagger; laminated blade; figured and carved handle of wood. Dyak, Pasir River, southeast Borneo. 9. Punal de kris; blade chased on surface section near handle; wood handle set in socketed brass ferrule. Moro, Mindanao. 10. Dagger; curved, double-edged blade; curved plain wood handle. Moro, Mindanao. 11. Dagger having saberlike blade; metal guard provided with volute tips; carved wood handle; blade chased and inlaid with soft metal at back. Moro, Jolo. 12. Dagger; serpentine blade; metal cross guard; spiral fluted grip of Camagon wood. 13. "Insurrecto" sword-dagger chased blade, pointed and double edged; cross guard; horn handle inlaid with shell mosaic; symbolically figured pommel." Attached Images

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Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Sorry about that. Carlos, Could you post a picture of the end of the hilt please? Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 21st April 2011 at 03:42 PM.

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20th April 2011, 06:21 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Little wavy dagger, please help Today had arrived my last adquisition, seems Filipino, but I´m not sure. The new adquisition is this little dagger, with wood hadle. Best regards carlos Attached Images

20th April 2011, 07:22 PM	#2
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Carlos - I guess it could be Filipino, but the work looks more European to me. Nice looking knives where ever it is from. Rich

20th April 2011, 10:02 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	I guess what throws me is that hilt looks more like a post WWII leg or bed finial. Brass ferrule looks new also. Cross guard - silver? Still could be PI though. If it really is, could be Ilokano.

21st April 2011, 03:43 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Migueldiaz, A very nice looking dagger you have there. Could you show a picture of the end of the hilt and is the wood of the hilt painted or stained? Robert

21st April 2011, 03:23 PM	#9
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hm, isnt Dagger no.11 a flyssa dagger? it seems to even have the kabyle decoration aswell.

21st April 2011, 09:35 PM	#10
DGuertin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 6	#11 to me looks like some North African hybrid of a flyssa and a Nimcha, or something similar. The specific hilt is familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it.