pamor wengkon

[A. G. Maisey]

Pak Boedhi, although telaga ngembleng is a well known pamor, possibly it depends upon where one lives as to how well known it is. I myself was reluctant to suggest it, because on my screen I simply could not see sufficient detail to know if I was looking at a puser or at telaga ngembleng.You have now confirmed that this effect in Marco's blade has not been formed by the insertion of a coil, and I thank you for that.

In respect of the classification of any particular pamor as exclusively an accidental, or an intentional pamor, I have no particular inclination to debate this point. Opinions in this matter vary. I personally am receptive to all opinions of this nature, and do not favour one over another.

As with many things in life, it all depends upon which school one attended.

My understanding remains that telaga ngembleng is an accidental pamor, but this is only because the bulk of opinion that I have encountered in respect of this pamor motif has been that it is an accidental pamor, and may not be intentionally formed.

As I noted in my earlier post:-

I accept that different interpretations of pamor motifs exist, and I accept that what you have posted is your understanding of what constitutes pamor tlaga membeng.

In these matters we are all permitted our own opinion.

[David]

Sorry to revive this old thread, but i was searching for something else and happened upon it and it raised the question in my head. If this pamor motif on this keris is not kul buntet, what would folks be calling it? Thanks!

[Gustav]

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[A. G. Maisey]

David, I read this as a square, or at least as intended to be a square, thus it is Kuto Mesir, or Kutu Masir.

In terms of talismanic value it can be regarded as being similar to Kul Buntet, but as having a stronger force.

[SidJ]

That is a superb looking keris at #26! Do you have the full image?

[David]

Here you go Sid.

[SidJ]

Oh that is just exquisite in my eyes! Thanks David! What a treat.