who know more over such an khanda sword

dralin23 · 8th March 2011, 09:03 PM

hi ,
i saw these khanda sword last year at an armsfair. it is an unique thing with thse serated blade and the zulfiquar tip. there was also 2 inscriptions at the blade unfortunatly i havn´t now good pictures from these inscription.
an intresting feature is at the spike from the hilt. where is an protection from binded feaber. i wonder if these sword is an real weapon ore more an temple sword ore for religios ceremonies.
could someone tell me more over such an kind of sword?
i´m very curios about the opinions from the forummembers and the swordfriends,
stefan

tom hyle · 9th March 2011, 12:42 AM

I don't know more, but I like the looks of it; thanks. The tip is of course impractical in some degree, sacrificing the cutting ability of the usual wide tip.
I've never seen one of these butt "spikes" actually be a blade, but could that be a sheath on it?

Battara · 10th March 2011, 04:29 AM

Interesting piece! I think that this particular piece is ceremonial since the Zulfiquar "tip" would not be practical and brake off in actual combat.

tom hyle · 13th March 2011, 06:37 AM

I notice an interesting thing. I don't know what it means. The crossguard that runs between the blade and the flat "figure 8" shell/sheild is usually attached to the flat 8 with two staples, somewhat analagous to the bacas/asangs on kris sundang. But on this sword there are no staples; their outline is imitated with a peak of metal, but they are not present. Is this a matter of region? of era?

I dunno......

Jens Nordlunde · 10th April 2011, 05:39 PM

Stefan,
Serrated blades are, if they are serrated on only one side called Arapusta, and if they are serrated on both sides called Aradam.
This term seem to be used for all swords with any kind of hilt.
Jens

fearn · 10th April 2011, 05:55 PM

Hi Jens,

It looks like this was an aradam sword, and the back serrations were ground down to make it an arapusta sword. This makes me wonder how much else was reshaped on it.

It's also a pity that we don't have both inscriptions to get translations off. That might tell us something.

Best,

F

Jens Nordlunde · 10th April 2011, 06:10 PM

Hi Fearn

,
Yes I thought of the same, but ended up thinking that someone else should get 'clever'

.
Best
Jens

fearn · 10th April 2011, 09:27 PM

Thanks Jens! Next time, I'll be happy to return the favor.

Best,

F

ariel · 10th April 2011, 11:35 PM

Somehow, my antennae are nervously twitching...
In addition to the "aradam/arapusta" point noted by Fearn, I am suspicious about the extension (rattan?) of the pommel and, especially, about the Dhu-l-faqar point as such. There is a subtle widening of the blade at the root of the upper prong, and the inner parts of the prongs seem uneven. The overall length of the blade seems kinda awkward, shorter than it was supposed to be. I have a feeling this sword was mucked around with, and that the Dhu-l-faqar feature might have been added.

ariel · 10th April 2011, 11:37 PM

Sorry, that was double posting. My mistake.

fearn · 11th April 2011, 02:14 AM

Hi Ariel,

Since the inscription appears to be upside down, do you think that the sword hilt was remounted in reverse?

F

ariel · 11th April 2011, 04:18 AM

With the blunt side as the working edge? :-)

Yet another point against the poor creature.... They seem to accumulate rather fast.

8th March 2011, 09:03 PM	#1
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	who know more over such an khanda sword hi , i saw these khanda sword last year at an armsfair. it is an unique thing with thse serated blade and the zulfiquar tip. there was also 2 inscriptions at the blade unfortunatly i havn´t now good pictures from these inscription. an intresting feature is at the spike from the hilt. where is an protection from binded feaber. i wonder if these sword is an real weapon ore more an temple sword ore for religios ceremonies. could someone tell me more over such an kind of sword? i´m very curios about the opinions from the forummembers and the swordfriends, stefan Attached Images

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9th March 2011, 12:42 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I don't know more, but I like the looks of it; thanks. The tip is of course impractical in some degree, sacrificing the cutting ability of the usual wide tip. I've never seen one of these butt "spikes" actually be a blade, but could that be a sheath on it?

10th March 2011, 04:29 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Interesting piece! I think that this particular piece is ceremonial since the Zulfiquar "tip" would not be practical and brake off in actual combat.

13th March 2011, 06:37 AM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I notice an interesting thing. I don't know what it means. The crossguard that runs between the blade and the flat "figure 8" shell/sheild is usually attached to the flat 8 with two staples, somewhat analagous to the bacas/asangs on kris sundang. But on this sword there are no staples; their outline is imitated with a peak of metal, but they are not present. Is this a matter of region? of era? I dunno......

10th April 2011, 05:39 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Stefan, Serrated blades are, if they are serrated on only one side called Arapusta, and if they are serrated on both sides called Aradam. This term seem to be used for all swords with any kind of hilt. Jens

10th April 2011, 05:55 PM	#6
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Jens, It looks like this was an aradam sword, and the back serrations were ground down to make it an arapusta sword. This makes me wonder how much else was reshaped on it. It's also a pity that we don't have both inscriptions to get translations off. That might tell us something. Best, F

10th April 2011, 06:10 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Fearn , Yes I thought of the same, but ended up thinking that someone else should get 'clever' . Best Jens

10th April 2011, 09:27 PM	#8
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Thanks Jens! Next time, I'll be happy to return the favor. Best, F

10th April 2011, 11:35 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Somehow, my antennae are nervously twitching... In addition to the "aradam/arapusta" point noted by Fearn, I am suspicious about the extension (rattan?) of the pommel and, especially, about the Dhu-l-faqar point as such. There is a subtle widening of the blade at the root of the upper prong, and the inner parts of the prongs seem uneven. The overall length of the blade seems kinda awkward, shorter than it was supposed to be. I have a feeling this sword was mucked around with, and that the Dhu-l-faqar feature might have been added.

10th April 2011, 11:37 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Sorry, that was double posting. My mistake.

11th April 2011, 02:14 AM	#11
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Ariel, Since the inscription appears to be upside down, do you think that the sword hilt was remounted in reverse? F

11th April 2011, 04:18 AM	#12
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	With the blunt side as the working edge? :-) Yet another point against the poor creature.... They seem to accumulate rather fast.