Square Line pattern Ilang

Maurice · 14th December 2010, 12:08 AM

The Muruts and Dusun were living in the north east part of Borneo:Sabah, and not in the NW part of Borneo???
Or am I misreading something here?

Maurice

VVV · 14th December 2010, 06:51 AM

Maurice, to me the Western part of Sabah, like Marudu Bay, is NW Borneo

Willem, the square pattern is only on one side and the other side has a scroll motif. I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions?
On yours the interesting dragon probably is a Chinese influence, as you suggested.

Michael

asomotif · 14th December 2010, 11:53 AM

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I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions?

I was thinking of balinese offering knives / betelnutcutters
They have line work inlays. Not the same. but that is the closest link I can think of.

Gustav · 14th December 2010, 12:53 PM

Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.

VVV · 16th December 2010, 10:36 AM

Thanks Gustav and Willem,

I just checked Solyom. It's described on page 58 and you remember correctly.
It seems like a probable clue to this motif.

Michael

VANDOO · 17th December 2010, 07:04 AM

THE DRAGON HANDLE ASOMOTIF POSTED COULD BE THE ASO (DOG DRAGON) IT IS AN OLD DESIGN OFTEN SEEN REPRESENTED IN MANY FORMS. THIS PICTURE OF SOME OLD EXAMPLES THE HEADS RESEMBLE THE MANDAU HILT. THE DESIGN COULD STILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE CHINESE AS THEY HAVE TRADED IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.
THESE TWO CARVINGS ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE KENYAH/ KAYAN GROUPS.

Gustav · 22nd February 2011, 09:59 PM

Michael, take a look at this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10847!

Both patterns on one blade! I think now, it's clearly protective.

14th December 2010, 06:51 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Maurice, to me the Western part of Sabah, like Marudu Bay, is NW Borneo Willem, the square pattern is only on one side and the other side has a scroll motif. I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions? On yours the interesting dragon probably is a Chinese influence, as you suggested. Michael Attached Images

17th December 2010, 07:04 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE DRAGON HANDLE ASOMOTIF POSTED COULD BE THE ASO (DOG DRAGON) IT IS AN OLD DESIGN OFTEN SEEN REPRESENTED IN MANY FORMS. THIS PICTURE OF SOME OLD EXAMPLES THE HEADS RESEMBLE THE MANDAU HILT. THE DESIGN COULD STILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE CHINESE AS THEY HAVE TRADED IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME. THESE TWO CARVINGS ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE KENYAH/ KAYAN GROUPS. Attached Images

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14th December 2010, 12:08 AM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	The Muruts and Dusun were living in the north east part of Borneo:Sabah, and not in the NW part of Borneo??? Or am I misreading something here? Maurice

14th December 2010, 12:53 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,240	Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.

16th December 2010, 10:36 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Gustav and Willem, I just checked Solyom. It's described on page 58 and you remember correctly. It seems like a probable clue to this motif. Michael

22nd February 2011, 09:59 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,240	Michael, take a look at this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10847! Both patterns on one blade! I think now, it's clearly protective.