Old File Bladed shibriya for comment

spiral · 22nd September 2010, 01:25 PM

Here we go....

The brass one has a lovely & unusual almst luminescant light lime green shade to its horn grip, which the photos dont realy capture.

There interesting pieces I think?

Spiral

Atlantia · 22nd September 2010, 08:31 PM

Thanks Spiral, thats a really nice pair you have there!
I see what you mean about the lanyard ring, I'll flip that round.
Strange I've not seen these 'twin horned' ones before.
Whats the significance of the different hilt (compared with the standard touristy ones that are so common)?

These file blades are interesting, I take it they pre-date WW2 (before leaf springs and other better materials became commonplace)?

Nice to have two so different examples too, which do you prefer?

Best
Gene

spiral · 23rd September 2010, 11:33 AM

Thanks Gene!

I have no idea of the relevance of different tops. Artzi or someone else from the middle east might know?

The silver & nielo one is nice but I prefer the file one, I suspect it is older & has a more user feel to it to me.

Spiral

broadaxe · 29th September 2010, 08:49 PM

Here is my input: as spiral said, the ring is usually at front. It is not for a lanyard but rather for a small lucky charm, most popuplar was a blue glass bead on a fine chain or leather thong.
When sheet metal hilts are in concern, the scabbard is mostly made of the same material.
The "twin peak" or thumb rest pommel is not very common, but also not scarce. I would date these file blades to in between the Wold Wars.
The niello work is simple but very uncommon to this type of arm. It indicates circassian (highly improbable due to the form) and armenian (most probable) work.

Atlantia · 29th September 2010, 10:25 PM

Spiral.

I can't decide between your two! They are both really nice.

Broadaxe.

Thanks for the info

But Armenian?? I thought this shape of blade was exclusive to Jordan/Syria?
Am I about to get an education here?

Best
Gene

TVV · 29th September 2010, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Spiral.

I can't decide between your two! They are both really nice.

Broadaxe.

Thanks for the info

But Armenian?? I thought this shape of blade was exclusive to Jordan/Syria?
Am I about to get an education here?

Best
Gene

There were many Circassian refugees to Syria and Jordan, who fled there during and after the wars with Russia in the mid 19th century.

Regards,
Teodor

broadaxe · 30th September 2010, 12:28 AM

Armenians came to the middle east as refugees and there is a famous weapon shop in Amman, led by an Armenian silversmiths family. They use Armenian motifs and methods over the local weapons.
Circassian (Adyga) families were brought by the Ottoman Turks into the middle east during the 1870's to serve as border guards, they kept their traditional weapons, the khma and sha-squa.

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22nd September 2010, 01:25 PM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Here we go.... The brass one has a lovely & unusual almst luminescant light lime green shade to its horn grip, which the photos dont realy capture. There interesting pieces I think? Spiral

22nd September 2010, 08:31 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks Spiral, thats a really nice pair you have there! I see what you mean about the lanyard ring, I'll flip that round. Strange I've not seen these 'twin horned' ones before. Whats the significance of the different hilt (compared with the standard touristy ones that are so common)? These file blades are interesting, I take it they pre-date WW2 (before leaf springs and other better materials became commonplace)? Nice to have two so different examples too, which do you prefer? Best Gene

23rd September 2010, 11:33 AM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks Gene! I have no idea of the relevance of different tops. Artzi or someone else from the middle east might know? The silver & nielo one is nice but I prefer the file one, I suspect it is older & has a more user feel to it to me. Spiral

29th September 2010, 08:49 PM	#4
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Here is my input: as spiral said, the ring is usually at front. It is not for a lanyard but rather for a small lucky charm, most popuplar was a blue glass bead on a fine chain or leather thong. When sheet metal hilts are in concern, the scabbard is mostly made of the same material. The "twin peak" or thumb rest pommel is not very common, but also not scarce. I would date these file blades to in between the Wold Wars. The niello work is simple but very uncommon to this type of arm. It indicates circassian (highly improbable due to the form) and armenian (most probable) work.

29th September 2010, 10:25 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Spiral. I can't decide between your two! They are both really nice. Broadaxe. Thanks for the info But Armenian?? I thought this shape of blade was exclusive to Jordan/Syria? Am I about to get an education here? Best Gene

30th September 2010, 12:28 AM	#7
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Armenians came to the middle east as refugees and there is a famous weapon shop in Amman, led by an Armenian silversmiths family. They use Armenian motifs and methods over the local weapons. Circassian (Adyga) families were brought by the Ottoman Turks into the middle east during the 1870's to serve as border guards, they kept their traditional weapons, the khma and sha-squa.