Keris Betok on Ebay

David · 16th September 2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Loud & clear, David. Rgrds, Mykeris

On the second thought, what is wrong with this keris David? Is it contradicting the standard buda form or fake material or .....somethig else? Some awesome faking samples would be good to see. Pls advise me, thanks in advance.

I can only refer you back to my original answer to you in post #2.
I have made no claims in regards to the authenticity of this particular keris buda, nor am i about to, so i have nothing to advise you on.

A. G. Maisey · 16th September 2010, 11:43 PM

Precisely Rick.

I know of one family in East Jawa that has been producing intentional forgeries of fake keris buda and other archaic forms, for at least thirty years. I say "family" because it was originally one man, but I have heard that his son began working with the father a couple of years ago.

These forgeries are excellent, and I have been stung once.

Going back a few years keris buda were not particularly valuable and not particularly sought after, however, that is now very, very different. A good, genuine keris buda will bring a very heavy price indeed. We're not talking small money here, we are talking very serious money. But only for the real thing.

In some areas it is best to keep information to oneself.

Battara · 17th September 2010, 01:52 AM

That is the sad thing. First it was fake katanas on eprey. Then fake Moro kris and gunong (and many are). Now fake older keris. Sad really.....

Rick · 17th September 2010, 02:59 AM

Thank you Alan .

This area is a land best ventured into well armed with true knowledge, not heresay from a public forum .

A. G. Maisey · 17th September 2010, 03:04 AM

Battara, keris that purport to be what they are not have been around forever.

Long before either you or I were born.

Museums and noted, published collections have their share of them.

Its taken me most of my life to reach a point where I'm fairly confident I can pick a pretender, but let me emphasise that "fairly confident" . I can be fooled, exactly the same as virtually all the really well known, big-name people have been fooled, including the biggest, most influential and most knowledgeable.

We need to be pretty careful where keris are concerned. One reason why I will not buy on photos from somebody I do not know. Its hard enough to know what you've got when its in your hand, often almost impossible when its not --- unless you have some prior knowledge or experience.

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16th September 2010, 11:43 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,819	Precisely Rick. I know of one family in East Jawa that has been producing intentional forgeries of fake keris buda and other archaic forms, for at least thirty years. I say "family" because it was originally one man, but I have heard that his son began working with the father a couple of years ago. These forgeries are excellent, and I have been stung once. Going back a few years keris buda were not particularly valuable and not particularly sought after, however, that is now very, very different. A good, genuine keris buda will bring a very heavy price indeed. We're not talking small money here, we are talking very serious money. But only for the real thing. In some areas it is best to keep information to oneself.

17th September 2010, 01:52 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,189	That is the sad thing. First it was fake katanas on eprey. Then fake Moro kris and gunong (and many are). Now fake older keris. Sad really.....

17th September 2010, 02:59 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,284	Thank you Alan . This area is a land best ventured into well armed with true knowledge, not heresay from a public forum .

17th September 2010, 03:04 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,819	Battara, keris that purport to be what they are not have been around forever. Long before either you or I were born. Museums and noted, published collections have their share of them. Its taken me most of my life to reach a point where I'm fairly confident I can pick a pretender, but let me emphasise that "fairly confident" . I can be fooled, exactly the same as virtually all the really well known, big-name people have been fooled, including the biggest, most influential and most knowledgeable. We need to be pretty careful where keris are concerned. One reason why I will not buy on photos from somebody I do not know. Its hard enough to know what you've got when its in your hand, often almost impossible when its not --- unless you have some prior knowledge or experience.