Baskethilt

fernando · 11th June 2005, 09:46 PM

hi midelburg
the miscatalogation of these examples does not end with the sources appointing to the earlier period this motto was engraved on blades. same with the language used, maybe latin came first.
when the spanish conquistadores founded bogota in 1538, their leader gonzalo jimenez de quesada was using a toledo sword with the motto no me saques sin razon ... a code of the followers of el cid ( quoting jose maria vergara y vergara in fundacion de bogota ).
el cid lived on 1043-1099. if this were a true story, contradicts the prior assumption that the motto was originated on the templars oath, as this order was founded later.
the missing link prevails

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11th June 2005, 09:46 PM	#34
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	hi midelburg the miscatalogation of these examples does not end with the sources appointing to the earlier period this motto was engraved on blades. same with the language used, maybe latin came first. when the spanish conquistadores founded bogota in 1538, their leader gonzalo jimenez de quesada was using a toledo sword with the motto no me saques sin razon ... a code of the followers of el cid ( quoting jose maria vergara y vergara in fundacion de bogota ). el cid lived on 1043-1099. if this were a true story, contradicts the prior assumption that the motto was originated on the templars oath, as this order was founded later. the missing link prevails