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From India. Green stone hilt. Artzi had some listed as made late 19th or 20th century for sale to European travelers. Good quality monosteel blade and nice workmanship. I'd love to know what the hilt is made of. Something similar to jade perhaps? Scabbard is in poor condition, but with nice nickel silver chape. Any additional information or comments eagerly sought. Found this one at a gunshow yesterday in NC. First time I've seen a nice ethnographic piece locally.
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Congrats on a great piece.
Unusual to see such different stone used for the grip scales and 'bolsters'. Mostly the stone used is Jadeite or Nephrite. I believe that even within the 'term' Nephrite there is a wide variety of colours and types ranging from opaque semi single shade to near trasparent with milky inclusions. In other words both types on your fine dagger could be Nephrite (I think it probobly is). As for date, I believe these (of the style you have) go right back into the 19thC. The scabbard would be a relatively simple fix. Recover with thin leather or velvet. As the end mount is undecorated, a replacement upper band would be a fairly easy job to fashion. You could even make the brass pendant for the top of the hilt! I have to say that this type of Pesh is one of my all time favourite dagger types. I think they are absolute perfection of both form and function. Heres mine, 35cm total length. ![]() Last edited by Atlantia; 15th August 2010 at 11:02 PM. |
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Ferguson, the stone in this hilt is probably serpentine.
Jade, both nephrite and jadeite, has a hardness of 6.5 to 7 on the mohs scale. Serpentine has a hardness of 2.5 to 5.5. Both nephrite and jadeite come in a wide variety of colours, for instance I have a khanjar with a black stone hilt that has been identified as jade (I am uncertain if jadeite or nephrite) by an gemologist. I have a ring in which the stone is a large piece of lilac jadeite. You really need a gemologist to identify what the stone is, but a quick test that can save money when buying is to pull out your pocket knife and see if you can scratch the material. If you cannot scratch it, its a good indication that you have one of the jades in your hand. Over the years I have owned a number of daggers of this type, all have had serpentine hilts. |
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I can scratch it. Probably serpentine.
Here's a pic of Bowenite Serpentine from wikipedia. Looks a lot like mine. Thanks gentlemen! Steve ![]() |
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I can barely mark mine with a new exacto blade. |
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Just tried the stone at the bolster. It can scratch too.
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Serpentine can go as high as 5.5 mohs, which is not all that far behind jade,but a sharp blade will still mark it.
A sharp blade will never mark jade, it just slides across the surface and leaves a deposit of steel, which looks like a very faint pencil mark. |
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Alan is right. Jade (jadite and nephrite) are very hard stones, therefore difficult to carve, and will not be scratched by steel.
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Even though it's not jade, I'm extremely happy with the knife. Though I can scratch the stone (with a very sharp, very hard S30V blade) it is pretty hard. It has survived all these years with no breakage, and is just a gorgeous material. I was very fortunate. The seller was asking $100, and I got it for much less.
![]() ![]() Steve From Wikipedia (not always accurate) "Bowenite is an especially hard serpentine (5.5) of a light to dark apple green colour, often mottled with cloudy white patches and darker veining. It is the serpentine most frequently encountered in carving and jewellery." From http://www.cst.cmich.edu/users/dietr1rv/serpentine.htm "H. typically 2½ -4, but up to 5½ for some varieties, such as bowenite" Last edited by Ferguson; 16th August 2010 at 02:22 AM. |
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Its a beautiful fine quality knife.
And what an informative thread it's spawned! Serpentine is still good ![]() |
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