A sword and a uniform

kronckew · 9th August 2010, 12:59 AM

i'd concentrate on the medals, the one around his neck looks distinctive, appears to be a five lobed maltese cross with a crown above it. the smaller breast maltese cross with a crown and ribbon has a distinctive ribbon bar at the top of it. it doesn't appear to have five lobes like the previous post suggests.

Norman McCormick · 9th August 2010, 01:53 PM

Hi,
I should have made it clearer, it was the suspension rather than the decoration itself that I was alluding to. That type of gathered ribbon suspension would suggest to me France, Belgium perhaps the Netherlands as well. It is in France particularly that I can recollect having seen that method of suspension but I could be mistaken, will not be the first time, and there may well be others.
Regards,
Norman.
P.S. The uniform suggests to me mid 19thC, a search on the net of photographs
e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

fernando · 9th August 2010, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

... e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

I had been there; couldn't find a similar uniform ... for myself

Besides, there might be differences between field (campaign) and ceremony outfits.

http://www.allworldwars.com/Crimean...enton-1855.html

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Michel · 9th August 2010, 06:34 PM

Hi,
I followed Norman McCormick suggestion and went to the Crimean war Photos.
Not much success. In fact, I now think that Norman is correct: not a British uniform. But I found all sorts of uniform with one row of buttons as well as 2 rows. Now look at Lt.Gal. Sir George de Lacy Evans. (Crimean war) he certainly does not have the same suspension of decoration, but his decorations are similar (?) to those of my Officer !
I have made very little progress with the Dutch armies, as I have not found any dutch uniforms with photos.
Thanks to all, I made some progress !
Regards
Michel

Norman McCormick · 9th August 2010, 07:40 PM

Hi Michel,
Another possibility might be to search for images from the Franco-Prussian War and other 19thC conflicts involving continental European armies e.g. colonial wars.
My Regards,
Norman.

Dmitry · 9th August 2010, 08:06 PM

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Ian Knight · 9th August 2010, 08:14 PM

Just to add my ideas to this discussion, I think the officer is indeed French or a Napoleonic 1st Empire ally of France and the medal on his chest together with the Legion of Honour is The Saint Helena medal, created in 1857 by Napoleon III,and awarded to the 405,000 soldiers still living in 1857, who had fought with Napoleon I during the 1792-1815 wars.
http://www.stehelene.org/php/accueil.php?page=1&lang=en

Ian

P.s. The ribbon on my Sainte Helena medal is a replacement.

9th August 2010, 06:34 PM	#4
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Hi, I followed Norman McCormick suggestion and went to the Crimean war Photos. Not much success. In fact, I now think that Norman is correct: not a British uniform. But I found all sorts of uniform with one row of buttons as well as 2 rows. Now look at Lt.Gal. Sir George de Lacy Evans. (Crimean war) he certainly does not have the same suspension of decoration, but his decorations are similar (?) to those of my Officer ! I have made very little progress with the Dutch armies, as I have not found any dutch uniforms with photos. Thanks to all, I made some progress ! Regards Michel Attached Images

9th August 2010, 08:06 PM	#6
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	* Attached Images

9th August 2010, 08:14 PM	#7
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Just to add my ideas to this discussion, I think the officer is indeed French or a Napoleonic 1st Empire ally of France and the medal on his chest together with the Legion of Honour is The Saint Helena medal, created in 1857 by Napoleon III,and awarded to the 405,000 soldiers still living in 1857, who had fought with Napoleon I during the 1792-1815 wars. http://www.stehelene.org/php/accueil.php?page=1&lang=en Ian P.s. The ribbon on my Sainte Helena medal is a replacement. Attached Images Last edited by Ian Knight; 10th August 2010 at 06:14 PM.

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9th August 2010, 12:59 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	i'd concentrate on the medals, the one around his neck looks distinctive, appears to be a five lobed maltese cross with a crown above it. the smaller breast maltese cross with a crown and ribbon has a distinctive ribbon bar at the top of it. it doesn't appear to have five lobes like the previous post suggests.

9th August 2010, 01:53 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi, I should have made it clearer, it was the suspension rather than the decoration itself that I was alluding to. That type of gathered ribbon suspension would suggest to me France, Belgium perhaps the Netherlands as well. It is in France particularly that I can recollect having seen that method of suspension but I could be mistaken, will not be the first time, and there may well be others. Regards, Norman. P.S. The uniform suggests to me mid 19thC, a search on the net of photographs e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

9th August 2010, 07:40 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi Michel, Another possibility might be to search for images from the Franco-Prussian War and other 19thC conflicts involving continental European armies e.g. colonial wars. My Regards, Norman.