Antique Jade Sword

Gavin Nugent · 10th June 2010, 11:30 AM

Welcome cmario88.

I to agree to this not being older than 1970.
My opinion looking at the images is that it is copper formed that is plated in low quality gold and silver, look close to the suspension fittings and it shows to my eye the gold incorrectly going over the silver...almost like it was dipped.

My 2 cents.

Gavin

Nathaniel · 10th June 2010, 01:22 PM

Hmmm.....One of the Chinese language sword forums I know of has a section devoted towards "newer" Chinese antiquities....

cmario88 · 10th June 2010, 07:26 PM

Thank you for the quick response and warm welcome everyone. Please, I would like to know if I am replying correctly. Do I "Reply to Thread" or reply with "Quote"?

Kronchkew: The sword has never been cleaned since it's been in my possession, I also know the original buyer and they also said they never cleaned it. Sword has been stored wrapped in cloth and in dry, dark storage. Concerning the blade, give me a little time and I will take photos of it. Can’t really comment on export rules because I really don’t know but I can say the sword was bought when Hong Kong was under British rule, how it got into the dealers hands is anyone’s guess.

Ispn: I’ll be taking photos of the blade shortly. No restoration work has been done.

Alex: I know the original buyer and the date is definitely from that time.

Freebooter: I will look closer at the suspension fittings and see if they have been dipped and also take close up photos for your viewing.

Nathaniel: I don’t know if it is allowed on this forum but would like to know more about this “Chinese language sword forum” do you have a link or address I can follow?

Again thank you for the response so far and will get back with more photos shortly. I will also give you what I’ve been told by another forum and appraiser next time.

yuanzhumin · 10th June 2010, 11:57 PM

The certificate is exactly saying what it is :
‘This sword is … from the xxxx dynasty and dating from xxxx’’
There is no dynasty and no datation mentioned.
Only it is said it is older than 100 years old. But here is the trick, and the certificate is exactly explaining what it means :
“ the jade coral and turquoise are over 100 years older ‘’
Nobody will dare doubt that stones are older than 100 years old. Perfectly true.
Well, authentic certificate. The thing is what to understand when reading it.
Yes, this is an authentic ‘antique’ sword, ‘antique’ to be understood as ‘old”. This sword was certainly old when it was sold (may be few years or few months old in the 1970s). It is now even older, a quarter of century after ! There is no patina, no sign of use and the artwork is quite crude, but I can now certify that this sword is from the last century !

asomotif · 11th June 2010, 12:29 AM

Still, a picture of the blade would be interesting to see

cmario88 · 12th June 2010, 05:53 AM

Here are the photos of blade and suspensions as requested. I'm no pro but blade looks pretty bad, any tips on caring or restoring would appreciated.

Tim Simmons · 13th June 2010, 07:12 PM

What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.

Atlantia · 13th June 2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.

LOL, should just mention that its best to use the really fine steel wool if you are going to

That '00' painters grade stuff.
Not brillo pads

I do think its a very attractive sword BTW Mario.
And welcome to the forums of course

10th June 2010, 11:30 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I too agree Welcome cmario88. I to agree to this not being older than 1970. My opinion looking at the images is that it is copper formed that is plated in low quality gold and silver, look close to the suspension fittings and it shows to my eye the gold incorrectly going over the silver...almost like it was dipped. My 2 cents. Gavin

10th June 2010, 07:26 PM	#3
cmario88 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8	Reply's to questions "Jade Sword" Thank you for the quick response and warm welcome everyone. Please, I would like to know if I am replying correctly. Do I "Reply to Thread" or reply with "Quote"? Kronchkew: The sword has never been cleaned since it's been in my possession, I also know the original buyer and they also said they never cleaned it. Sword has been stored wrapped in cloth and in dry, dark storage. Concerning the blade, give me a little time and I will take photos of it. Can’t really comment on export rules because I really don’t know but I can say the sword was bought when Hong Kong was under British rule, how it got into the dealers hands is anyone’s guess. Ispn: I’ll be taking photos of the blade shortly. No restoration work has been done. Alex: I know the original buyer and the date is definitely from that time. Freebooter: I will look closer at the suspension fittings and see if they have been dipped and also take close up photos for your viewing. Nathaniel: I don’t know if it is allowed on this forum but would like to know more about this “Chinese language sword forum” do you have a link or address I can follow? Again thank you for the response so far and will get back with more photos shortly. I will also give you what I’ve been told by another forum and appraiser next time.

12th June 2010, 05:53 AM	#6
cmario88 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8	Photos of blade and suspensions Here are the photos of blade and suspensions as requested. I'm no pro but blade looks pretty bad, any tips on caring or restoring would appreciated. Attached Images

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10th June 2010, 01:22 PM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Hmmm.....One of the Chinese language sword forums I know of has a section devoted towards "newer" Chinese antiquities....

10th June 2010, 11:57 PM	#4
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	The certificate is exactly saying what it is : ‘This sword is … from the xxxx dynasty and dating from xxxx’’ There is no dynasty and no datation mentioned. Only it is said it is older than 100 years old. But here is the trick, and the certificate is exactly explaining what it means : “ the jade coral and turquoise are over 100 years older ‘’ Nobody will dare doubt that stones are older than 100 years old. Perfectly true. Well, authentic certificate. The thing is what to understand when reading it. Yes, this is an authentic ‘antique’ sword, ‘antique’ to be understood as ‘old”. This sword was certainly old when it was sold (may be few years or few months old in the 1970s). It is now even older, a quarter of century after ! There is no patina, no sign of use and the artwork is quite crude, but I can now certify that this sword is from the last century !

11th June 2010, 12:29 AM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Still, a picture of the blade would be interesting to see

13th June 2010, 07:12 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.