Persian Kard Dagger....Help With Translation Please!

CharlesS · 5th June 2010, 06:57 PM

Thanks for the insight Alex. I have no way of knowing about dating the chieselling, but I would certainly agree that the motifs are more Indian, and I should have probably more aptly called this an Indo-Persian kard at the very least.

BTW, your example is gorgeous!

CharlesS · 10th June 2010, 01:37 AM

Can no one help with translation here?

Where's Dom!

ward · 10th June 2010, 11:59 PM

[QUOTE=CharlesS]Can no one help with translation here?

The left side says Assistance from Allah and Victroy Near the right side mentiones Allah Ali but can't read it all

CharlesS · 11th June 2010, 01:30 AM

THANKS Ward!

Battara · 11th June 2010, 03:15 AM

Wait........I........see.............yes - "Made in China"

Hope this helps.

Philip · 11th June 2010, 07:34 AM

As Ward noted the right side is partly illegible, but from what's there, I can make out what might well be "Kalb 'Ali", with "Allah" above it.

Lew · 11th June 2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip

As Ward noted the right side is partly illegible, but from what's there, I can make out what might well be "Kalb 'Ali", with "Allah" above it.

Charles

Found this

It is quite possible this dagger belong to him or was from his armoury? If you look closely at the dagger in his belt it does resemble your piece?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_Kalb_Ali_Khan,_Nawab_of_Rampur_(1832-1887).jpg

Sir Kalb Ali Khan, Nawab of Rampur (1832-1887).Hajji Nawab Kalb Ali Khan Bahadur (1834-23 March 1887) was a Nawab of the princely state of Rampur from 1865 to 1887. Succeeding his father, Sir Yusef Ali Khan Bahadur, he continued his father's good works, expanding the Rampur library, constructing the Jama Masjid for Rs.3 lakhs and encouraging the spread of education, architecture, literature and art in general. A gifted ruler, Sir Kalb Ali Khan was highly literate in Arabic and Persian and patronised scholars from across India and the Islamic world. He was a member of John Lawrence's council from 1878 to his death, attended the Delhi Durbar of Queen Victoria and was granted a personal salute of 17-guns. He was succeeded at his death in 1887, aged 53, by his son, Muhammad Mushtaq Ali Khan Bahadur. [1]

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CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks for the insight Alex. I have no way of knowing about dating the chieselling, but I would certainly agree that the motifs are more Indian, and I should have probably more aptly called this an Indo-Persian kard at the very least. BTW, your example is gorgeous! Last edited by CharlesS; 5th June 2010 at 10:19 PM.

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10th June 2010, 01:37 AM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Can no one help with translation here? Where's Dom!

10th June 2010, 11:59 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	[QUOTE=CharlesS]Can no one help with translation here? The left side says Assistance from Allah and Victroy Near the right side mentiones Allah Ali but can't read it all

11th June 2010, 01:30 AM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	THANKS Ward!

11th June 2010, 03:15 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,367	Wait........I........see.............yes - "Made in China" Hope this helps.

11th June 2010, 07:34 AM	#6
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	As Ward noted the right side is partly illegible, but from what's there, I can make out what might well be "Kalb 'Ali", with "Allah" above it.