Could anybody more closely allocate this Hussar sword ?

[Martin Lubojacky]

Hello,
I wonder if anybody could classify the saber. Is it Austro - Hungarian ? Many thanks, Martin

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Martin,
This is a great sabre and of extremely desirable form which appears to be Austrian from about mid to third quarter 18th century. This 'rayed' motif was very popular in these times in the motif on sabres in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and similiar is still seen used on Hungarian infantry officers sabres M1811 (type II). This is shown in Eduard Wagner's "Cut & Thrust Weapons" (p.414, plate 44).
The rectangular ear and langet crosspiece is of the style seen on Austrian cavalry sabres and the straight outward quillon terminal also is characteristic.
There is a rather difficult to locate reference on Austrian weapons, the author is Dolleczek and is often cited in Wagner. I have seen pages of this reference and though it has been some time, it seems the line drawings reflected these heavy, chopping blades of this form. It is believed that these heavy 'hatchet tip' type blades were one of the primary prototypes for the M1796 British light cavalry sabres.

Austrian cavalry weapons of this period are highly sought after, with this being one of the driving forces, with the M1769 pallasche also influencing the British M1796 heavy cavalry sword.

It seems I have seen other sabres with this rayed scabbard mount motif with hilt elements en suite on sabres identified either as Austrian or Hungarian of this period. It is difficult to draw a line as they are so similar.

All best regards,
Jim

[Martin Lubojacky]

Hi Jim,

Thank you very much for analysis. I will try to find the book by Konopsky and Moudry for you, when I am in the Czech Republic this summer.
(Your mention of M1769 pallasch reminds me of a holidays several years ago, when I was trawelling with family around Northern Moravia. It happened that time, that I was on the right place on right time, but without money. In one small antique shop I saw this pallasch in a very good condition and complete with original scabbard - they were asking the price only around 500 USD, but it was rather spare time for us and I could not afford to buy it. From that time I have never seen so nice piece and if yes - without sheath and five times more expensive. I regret this until now.)
Best regards,
Martin

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Martin,
Thank you so much for the very kind offer! and Im glad I could give some help with this, again my congratulations on a superb hussar sabre!!!

Auughh! To hear of such a deal on one of these M1769 pallasches is incredible. I remember trying to find one during research on the British M1796 disc hilt heavy cavalry swords about 15 years ago, and almost had one. Even then the prices were incredible, over a thousand dollars. I dont think Ive ever seen more than several over the years available, and I would imagine much more so in less travelled sources in Europe.

It is good to see this sabre find a home with someone with such close ties to its original ancestry. Very well done

All the best,
Jim

[Richard]

Here's one:

[Ian Knight]

Lovely sabre Martin. Has the blade been shortened?
Ian

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Richard

Here's one:

Wow!!!! Now thats what Im talkin about Richard!!! Absolutely beautiful
Thank you so much for sharing that here,
All the best,
Jim

[Martin Lubojacky]

Hi Ian,

I don´t know as I bought it while I am in Africa and the sword was sent directly to Prague (and I am looking forward to seeing it in natura). But I don´t thing so. It could be fallacy, Enclosed please find another 2 photos.

Richard, thank you also for the photo of the pallasch

Regards,

Martin

[Ian Knight]

Hello Martin,
It doesn't look like the blade has been shortened after seeing your last two photos. It does have a really meaty looking blade.
Ian

[Richard]

Here's something quite similar:

http://us.patrice-reboul.com/preboul...cument&lang=EN

[Lee]

Received from a non-registered reader:

I have a copy of the Dolleczek book they mention ... the sabre is from the 1748-68 period as it is fairly plain, but brass mounted. It would appear to be an NCO's weapon as the men tended to have plain scabbards.

[Jim McDougall]

Thank you so much for posting this Lee, and my thanks to the anonymous donor!!!
Its great that our 'cold case' system works so well, and that it is clear that people our still reading our ols threads even years later. I hope all the fantastic material archived here will stand for many years as a useful resource for those inclined to study arms.

All best regards,
Jim

[Martin Lubojacky]

Thank you Lee.
This sabre is my "pleasure". The mountings are silver plated brass.
Regards,
Martin

[terry1956]

Hi, here are two of my sabres, they are both takes on the earlier austro hungarian sabres. The first is a french sabre,from around 1767 and you can see that it takes its form from the earlier weapon. The second is the 1796 british light cavalry sabre and again you can see the earlier sabres form in the blade. Michael