TVV On the Origins of the... 17th August 2009, 06:41 PM
ariel I have mentioned once that ,... 17th August 2009, 10:49 PM
Jim McDougall Thank you so much for posting... 17th August 2009, 11:51 PM
Andrew I'm always wary of assigning... 17th August 2009, 11:13 PM
TVV Well, I have one of those... 17th August 2009, 11:45 PM
Jim McDougall Very well said Andrew!!
I... 18th August 2009, 12:00 AM
Dmitry I don't have this sword any... 18th August 2009, 03:14 AM
Jim McDougall Thank you Dmitry, great... 18th August 2009, 04:01 AM
pallas i saw one for sale that was... 18th August 2009, 10:59 PM
Jim McDougall Pallas, now I remember that... 18th August 2009, 11:12 PM
Jim McDougall Pallas, now I remember that... 18th August 2009, 11:12 PM
pallas yes, the blade had "manuel"... 18th August 2009, 11:53 PM
Jim McDougall That was the exact location... 19th August 2009, 12:13 AM
Dmitry Jim, what is the... 19th August 2009, 02:05 AM
Jim McDougall Hi Dmitry,
Actually I have... 19th August 2009, 07:02 AM
Dmitry Jim, I am still not sold on... 20th August 2009, 12:29 AM
Jim McDougall Hi Dmitry,
I agree on... 20th August 2009, 01:27 AM
TVV Back to the topic of the... 21st August 2009, 12:44 AM
Rick The scabbard appears to be... 21st August 2009, 01:18 AM
Jim McDougall The scabbard on these are... 21st August 2009, 05:15 AM
Jeff D Hi Teodor,
Could the... 21st August 2009, 05:51 PM
Jim McDougall Whoa! Jeff you are amazing!!!... 21st August 2009, 06:55 PM
Wodimi only a thought.......the... 22nd August 2009, 02:15 AM
Jim McDougall Exactly Wolf, thats what... 22nd August 2009, 06:48 AM
pallas i found another picture of... 22nd August 2009, 09:18 PM
Jim McDougall Thank you so much Pallas! I... 22nd August 2009, 09:48 PM
TVV Here are some more pictures... 13th September 2009, 01:42 AM
Gonzalo G Interesting speculations. As... 13th September 2009, 06:25 AM
TVV Interesting points, Gonzalo,... 13th September 2009, 07:00 AM
M ELEY Dmitry, I love your Brazilian... 14th September 2009, 02:48 AM
TVV The picture was made by a... 14th September 2009, 03:48 AM
Marc Well, I have to check, but... 14th September 2009, 10:30 AM
TVV Thanks a lot Marc. 14th September 2009, 06:45 PM
Gonzalo G Continuing with my post in... 14th September 2009, 08:27 PM
Gonzalo G I just saw your post, Teodor.... 14th September 2009, 09:21 PM
TVV Gonzalo,
All excellent... 15th September 2009, 12:05 AM
TVV In an effort to bring yet... 10th June 2013, 06:34 PM
Jim McDougall Thank you for posting that... 10th June 2013, 09:09 PM
TVV Jim,
How reliable is Tirri... 10th June 2013, 09:42 PM
Jim McDougall Teodor you know you and I are... 10th June 2013, 10:04 PM
ariel Can't find my copy of... 11th June 2013, 02:25 AM
Jim McDougall That was something that I... 11th June 2013, 07:36 AM
ariel The pic I showed is not from... 11th June 2013, 12:47 PM
Jim McDougall Thanks, I knew this example... 11th June 2013, 07:05 PM
ariel Here they are: Ethiopian... 12th June 2013, 12:42 AM
ariel I would venture to say that... 12th June 2013, 01:56 AM
TVV The protrusion is indeed... 13th June 2013, 01:43 AM
M ELEY Excellent points, Teodor.
... 13th June 2013, 06:15 AM
TVV I was fortunate enough to... 6th June 2014, 04:35 PM
Jim McDougall Excellent Teodor, thank... 7th June 2014, 03:20 AM
Jim McDougall Excellent Teodor, thank... 7th June 2014, 03:20 AM
archer Berber Mexican connection? 7th June 2014, 07:21 AM
Masich Espadas Anchas de Brazil y... 9th April 2016, 07:35 PM
ariel Never thought to see this... 10th April 2016, 04:49 AM
carlos I only want to help in this... 2nd August 2016, 03:54 PM
Ian I have been a silent observer... 2nd August 2016, 04:36 PM
TVV Carlos,
Thank you for... 3rd August 2016, 12:52 AM
Jim McDougall We can only hope Teodor!!! :)... 3rd August 2016, 06:49 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Thank you Jim, In particular... 4th August 2016, 09:05 AM
Jim McDougall Andy, when did you talk with... 10th April 2016, 06:06 AM
Masich Pierce Chamberlain 10th April 2016, 02:59 PM
machinist Perhaps it may be based on an... 10th April 2016, 08:27 PM
Masich Turkey Guards on Espadas 10th April 2016, 09:30 PM
Masich Espadas: Berbers to... 10th April 2016, 10:15 PM
machinist It would be nice to think a... 11th April 2016, 06:02 AM
Jim McDougall After spending quite a bit of... 13th April 2016, 08:52 PM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams All, I find it most... 14th April 2016, 03:58 PM
Rick Agree, it's nice to see this... 14th April 2016, 05:37 PM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi This is a good question which... 14th April 2016, 06:00 PM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Jim, Thank you for... 14th April 2016, 06:05 PM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams All, With a number of... 27th April 2016, 04:16 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams All..I have a few... 27th April 2016, 04:34 AM
machinist First of all an apology, the... 28th July 2016, 07:47 AM
machinist More pics 28th July 2016, 07:49 AM
Kubur Congratulation your sword is... 28th July 2016, 08:27 AM
Jim McDougall Rick......I think we're goin'... 28th July 2016, 06:46 PM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Jim, As noted... 30th July 2016, 01:09 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi What is the relationship in... 30th July 2016, 02:58 AM
Jim McDougall Ibrahiim,
You have astutely... 30th July 2016, 03:41 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Thanks Jim. 31st July 2016, 01:48 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Jim, My previous... 2nd August 2016, 11:52 AM
Ibrahiim al Balooshi It further puzzles me... 2nd August 2016, 12:05 PM
TVV Jeff,
I thought I saw the... 22nd August 2009, 03:29 AM
Marc Well, I confirmed it.
Right... 15th September 2009, 11:58 AM
TVV Sad news indeed, Marc. Are... 15th September 2009, 05:53 PM
Gonzalo G Teodor, the term... 16th September 2009, 10:07 PM
Marc Uh.... no. Not really.... 18th September 2009, 11:29 AM
TVV Another example with... 13th April 2011, 04:47 AM
carlos I have seen another sword... 13th April 2011, 07:36 AM
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Dmitry, I love your Brazilian (until proven otherwise!) cutlass. It is similar, but superior to my example. Not to divert the subject away from the Berber sabers, but as far as the Brazilian goes, I don't think there is much question that they aren't at least Spanish colonial if not specific to the Brazilian region.
Jim, I had also seen that saber with Pedro II's coat-of-arms. It was spot-on. The only thing was the timeline...later period than I would have suspected, but then again, many of the Spanish broadswords were used over many centuries. I tried to track it down again to no avail. Dmitry's sword has that distinctive snake design on the finial we've discussed before on espada. I just saw a nice espada for sale on a website with the same pattern, but because it was an active sale, I didn't list it here (I am assuming a sale item and an active auction are considered the same??). The Brazil sabers seem to have two distinct types of blades- straight (or nearly straight) and the classic curved type. I'm wondering what these swords were ultimately used for? Horseman's sabers? Cutlass in the many coastal ports? The pattern obviously was repeated, yet not a "model" used by any military or militia, apparently. Not trying to offend anyone, but I'm having trouble envisioning anyone riding around in the jungle or pampas on horseback with these strapped to their side. True, horseman's sabers could be rather large, but the guard seems more cutlass-like (what, me biased ). The folded stirrup on these seems to indicate one worn on the side, like the smaller espada. So...was it like an infantry-type sword? I'm just struggling trying to imagine HOW the sword was put to use in this environment if not as the classic ship-board pattern. Teodor, you started this great topic (thank you!) with a picture of the sabers in Barcelona. I'm curious what that museum listed all these swords (the Brazil sword (?), the Berber sabers (?) and espada) as in their collection? Do you know? Thanks. |
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