New Member-Help please on 2 18th C sabres

[Hanger1]

Hello Members,

I am happy to be a part of the site. I am normally a nihonto and indo-persian collector, but I have entered the fray of European swords after genealogy research discovered much British Regular and Provincial army duties in the colonies’ early days(1600s), French and Indian War/Seven Years war and beyond. I come from long lines of military service throughout my direct genealogy.

Thus I have two sabres to present for some help on if you could.

The first is a brass, stirrup hilted petit Montmorency blade with celestial markings similar to Peter Munich’s marks but from what I read here, does not indicate necessarily him from Solingen. I got that information from the older makers mark threads here. I can’t find anything close to the stirrup hilt either so that is also a mystery. The closest I have found is a French Dragoon officer

The second sword is apparently a French Revolution, petits Montmorency type blade with brass hilt with a cutlass, hacking blade instead of the true Montmorency blade. This blade has “Vaincre ou Mourir” on it. The curious thing about this one, is that it was re-peened, and as it was disassembled, there was a makers mark on the tang that I can’t attribute to anything other than most likely Solingen and an independent maker is my guess. My hope is to get a hit here. The blade has major battle damage, with probably 50 diamond shaped edge hits. This may have been one of those “dropped” swords after the owner may not have fared too well.

I am providing pictures the best I can within the guidelines, so if I need to post better ones, I certainly will. Thanks in advance. BTW the red tinge on the blade is not active rust but my red jacket Other than the battle damage and some oxidation, the blade is in beautiful shape.

Jeff