Jens Nordlunde Elephant swords 2nd December 2018, 04:48 PM
fernando Great picture, Jens.
Indeed... 2nd December 2018, 07:03 PM
Ren Ren Let me offer my version of... 2nd December 2018, 08:19 PM
mahratt Kentar - Russian measure of... 2nd December 2018, 10:05 PM
Richard Furrer I have seen them in India in... 3rd December 2018, 03:13 AM
ariel Max Fasner’s dictionary: “... 3rd December 2018, 06:36 AM
fernando As i started by saying, these... 3rd December 2018, 12:03 PM
Jens Nordlunde Thank you for the interesting... 3rd December 2018, 11:10 AM
ariel Jens,
I fully agree.
... 3rd December 2018, 12:21 PM
fernando You are obvious right, Ariel;... 3rd December 2018, 01:33 PM
Jens Nordlunde Ariel, about breaking the... 3rd December 2018, 01:43 PM
ariel Yes, that is what I was... 3rd December 2018, 03:50 PM
Jens Nordlunde Ren Ren, thank you for the... 3rd December 2018, 04:46 PM
fernando Alvaro Velho speaks of five... 3rd December 2018, 06:54 PM
Jens Nordlunde Hi Fernando,
:-) there seem... 3rd December 2018, 07:11 PM
fernando And what a view from the top... 3rd December 2018, 07:43 PM
fernando The example in the Met,... 3rd December 2018, 07:46 PM
Jens Nordlunde No I dont think they... 3rd December 2018, 10:30 PM
Jim McDougall This is a most interesting... 4th December 2018, 03:01 AM
ariel Jim,
Tusk swords ceased to... 4th December 2018, 04:19 AM
Jim McDougall Thanks Ariel. I guess the... 4th December 2018, 05:10 AM
fernando Chronology ... Biography. 4th December 2018, 12:52 PM
GIO Always Mughal 4th December 2018, 04:38 PM
Jens Nordlunde It seems as if some of the... 4th December 2018, 04:47 PM
fernando What about this FANTASY... 4th December 2018, 05:44 PM
Jim McDougall This is a good... 4th December 2018, 07:18 PM
Jim McDougall Looking further into this,... 5th December 2018, 03:24 AM
Jim McDougall Just wanted to bump this... 26th November 2019, 01:40 AM
kronckew Tusks are elongated,... 26th November 2019, 11:02 AM
fernando What a serious shot Wayne; i... 26th November 2019, 12:46 PM
Jim McDougall Ahah!! Now that reveals my... 26th November 2019, 12:49 PM
fernando Elephants are either left- or... 26th November 2019, 12:53 PM
Jim McDougall I think if I were applying... 26th November 2019, 12:55 PM
kronckew I think there is differences... 26th November 2019, 04:35 PM
Jens Nordlunde I think it must be relatively... 26th November 2019, 05:10 PM
kronckew Nordelunde; Elly armour... 26th November 2019, 05:21 PM
fernando Migrating the old saying: he... 26th November 2019, 05:42 PM
Jens Nordlunde Yes I know the elephant... 26th November 2019, 05:42 PM
fernando The armour in the picture... 26th November 2019, 05:45 PM
kronckew Yup, could have also had a... 26th November 2019, 05:59 PM
Jim McDougall Very well responded... 26th November 2019, 06:32 PM
Jim McDougall On a lighter note: 26th November 2019, 07:38 PM
kronckew https://www.youtube.com/watch?... 26th November 2019, 05:44 PM
fernando Still they can have a... 26th November 2019, 06:00 PM
fernando Mind you ... 26th November 2019, 07:31 PM
fernando One thing is certain ... 26th November 2019, 08:27 PM
Jim McDougall There is absolutely no... 26th November 2019, 11:08 PM
kronckew The Soviets in WW2 trained... 27th November 2019, 09:47 AM
fernando Let us not digress by that... 27th November 2019, 11:07 AM
ariel Jim,
I see your point about... 27th November 2019, 03:05 PM
Jim McDougall Ariel, thank you so much for... 27th November 2019, 05:54 PM
fernando This would be a rather... 27th November 2019, 07:25 PM
mahratt Although this information is... 27th November 2019, 03:35 PM
kronckew I stand corrected, thanks. 27th November 2019, 05:34 PM
ariel Don’t feel bad: the above... 28th November 2019, 06:32 PM
mahratt I will be very grateful if... 28th November 2019, 08:26 PM
Jim McDougall Yeah!!!! How bout them trunk... 29th November 2019, 03:41 AM
fernando Unlike humans, elephants... 26th November 2019, 05:20 PM
shayde78 I wonder if an enterprising... 5th December 2018, 02:45 AM
Jim McDougall Good observation Shayde!
... 5th December 2018, 03:38 AM
fernando Notwithstanding ... 5th December 2018, 02:09 PM
Jens Nordlunde Maybe the reason why so few... 5th December 2018, 02:29 PM
fernando Well, one perspective :cool: . 5th December 2018, 02:33 PM
Jim McDougall In accord with Jens'... 5th December 2018, 09:33 PM
fernando The history of war elephants... 6th December 2018, 07:26 PM
Jim McDougall Well noted on the 'weakly'... 6th December 2018, 08:43 PM
Jens Nordlunde I remember that Sunde, maybe... 6th December 2018, 10:44 PM
ariel I am reasonably OK with the... 6th December 2018, 11:31 PM
fernando The full citation being:
... 7th December 2018, 11:20 AM
mahratt Chains attached to the... 7th December 2018, 11:58 AM
mahratt Mythological plot. But ... Is... 7th December 2018, 12:09 PM
Jens Nordlunde Mahratt, it is an interseting... 7th December 2018, 10:43 PM
Jim McDougall I agree the artist here in... 8th December 2018, 12:37 AM
ariel Very astute comment, Jim.... 8th December 2018, 09:01 AM
mahratt I do not see the monsters in... 8th December 2018, 10:10 AM
fernando Stay focused, Dmitriy ;) .... 8th December 2018, 12:57 PM
mahratt I apologize, but in my... 8th December 2018, 01:05 PM
Jim McDougall Actually I think the term... 8th December 2018, 05:40 PM
fernando Perhaps should the... 8th December 2018, 01:18 PM
ariel As a matter of fact, the... 7th December 2018, 11:17 PM
fernando Good shot :cool:.
. 8th December 2018, 02:06 PM
Jens Nordlunde Hmmm - interesting... 8th December 2018, 04:23 PM
fernando That the evolution of... 8th December 2018, 05:15 PM
Jim McDougall Well... 8th December 2018, 05:46 PM
fernando Incognito 8th December 2018, 08:31 PM
Jim McDougall What I meant regarding... 8th December 2018, 09:34 PM
Jens Nordlunde I find Fernando's quote very... 8th December 2018, 10:06 PM
ariel I have to make an admission:... 9th December 2018, 02:36 AM
fernando Just say the word ;) :D .
... 9th December 2018, 02:59 AM
ariel Not only this elephant... 9th December 2018, 07:53 AM
Jens Nordlunde In The Encyclopedia of the... 9th December 2018, 04:53 PM
fernando The whole description in... 9th December 2018, 05:44 PM
Jim McDougall Amazing you guys!!!
These... 9th December 2018, 06:28 PM
fernando The great historian João de... 9th December 2018, 08:02 PM
Jens Nordlunde I think it is fantastic what... 9th December 2018, 10:03 PM
fernando My pleasure, Jens; i have... 9th December 2018, 10:11 PM
Jens Nordlunde Although I do love the... 9th December 2018, 10:35 PM
fernando It is like some times artists... 9th December 2018, 10:48 PM
ariel Re: image of trunk sword in... 9th December 2018, 11:40 PM
fernando I guess Jens has a copy ! 10th December 2018, 12:13 PM
silberschatzimsee i feel sad for that animal :( 10th December 2018, 01:40 AM
ariel Fernando,
Re. ... 10th December 2018, 12:16 PM
mahratt Here are two interesting... 10th December 2018, 12:48 PM
Jens Nordlunde Did they drug the elephants,... 10th December 2018, 03:14 PM
fernando Maybe not Jens. Not that they... 10th December 2018, 03:27 PM
Jens Nordlunde Like Ariel, I too have the... 10th December 2018, 07:22 PM
ariel The minute any object is... 10th December 2018, 07:30 PM
ariel To understand it, we need to... 11th December 2018, 12:24 AM
ariel I'd like to see people... 10th December 2018, 07:25 PM
fernando You are underestimating the... 10th December 2018, 08:03 PM
fernando Another technique would be,... 10th December 2018, 08:12 PM
mahratt Absolutely right! :) 10th December 2018, 08:25 PM
ariel Perhaps. No doubt elephants... 11th December 2018, 06:39 AM
mahratt Sometimes just need to... 11th December 2018, 07:31 AM
ariel Regretfully, all the... 11th December 2018, 02:12 PM
mahratt photo 11th December 2018, 03:02 PM
fernando Back with Garcia de Orta ... 12th December 2018, 02:23 PM
Jens Nordlunde Thank you Fernando.
The... 12th December 2018, 04:46 PM
ariel Jens and Fernando,
I think... 13th December 2018, 09:07 AM
fernando Points taken Ariel ... and... 13th December 2018, 01:47 PM
ariel Re. whipping chains:
I... 13th December 2018, 10:44 PM
fernando Ariel, what i admire more... 14th December 2018, 02:03 PM
Jens Nordlunde Ariel, it is an interesting... 14th December 2018, 03:23 PM
mahratt Very interesting experiment... 14th December 2018, 03:45 PM
ariel Fernando,
My guess is that... 14th December 2018, 06:11 PM
Ian This has been an interesting... 14th December 2018, 07:43 PM
Jens Nordlunde I agree with Ian, and hope... 14th December 2018, 09:45 PM
ariel Question:
Except for a... 15th December 2018, 02:10 AM
mahratt It is very interesting for... 15th December 2018, 10:58 AM
Jim McDougall I agree with Ian and Jens,... 15th December 2018, 08:59 PM
fernando Jim i would be rather... 16th December 2018, 03:06 PM
Jens Nordlunde Thank you for your posts so... 16th December 2018, 03:36 PM
Jens Nordlunde I know I asked that the posts... 19th November 2019, 03:54 PM
fernando Hello Jens,
I wonder whether... 20th November 2019, 03:00 PM
ariel Now, with these data ( and... 20th November 2019, 04:21 PM
ariel Fernando,
It’s never too... 20th November 2019, 05:37 PM
Jens Nordlunde Fernando, I could not bring... 20th November 2019, 05:40 PM
fernando Do i see some... 20th November 2019, 05:49 PM
fernando Ariel, i confess i wouldn't... 20th November 2019, 06:32 PM
ariel Yup, you guessed it:-)
And... 20th November 2019, 06:42 PM
fernando Which i and my wife* are fans... 20th November 2019, 06:59 PM
fernando A bit too heavy, though ...... 20th November 2019, 06:49 PM
ariel Well, no real sword is an... 20th November 2019, 07:56 PM
kronckew For your continued... 20th November 2019, 08:33 PM
Jens Nordlunde Very funny Knocknew, you... 20th November 2019, 10:42 PM
fernando You are right Jens; i am... 21st November 2019, 08:22 PM
fernando From Fernão Mendes Pinto... 22nd November 2019, 02:06 PM
ariel I am with Fernando.
... 22nd November 2019, 03:10 PM
Jens Nordlunde In the quote in post 106... 22nd November 2019, 04:15 PM
fernando Whether trunk swords were... 22nd November 2019, 05:09 PM
ariel Beats me...
I just do not... 24th November 2019, 06:04 PM
kronckew Military Elephants when they... 24th November 2019, 09:06 PM
fernando Wayne ... please ! 24th November 2019, 09:26 PM
fernando Could it be that tusk swords... 24th November 2019, 10:42 PM
ariel Tough to argue with eye... 25th November 2019, 02:01 AM
ariel Russian kentar was equivalent... 20th November 2019, 06:04 PM
ariel Fernando,
Your info re.... 20th November 2019, 06:10 PM
ariel I learned the art of... 14th December 2018, 06:44 PM
mahratt fernando, I don't think the... 10th December 2018, 08:24 PM
fernando And the Mughal Empire style;... 3rd December 2018, 06:11 PM
ariel Agree.
These two examples... 3rd December 2018, 06:49 PM
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There is absolutely no dispute that elephants have been used in warfare for a VERY long time (great Latin phrase there tot saecula! love to learn). The only point I was trying to make is that there were certain concerns in using them given the potential for disastrous outcome in doing so.
The use of elephants in work situations, transport, hauling etc. is more logical in field logistics, while the volatility of combat effects virtually all involved, and the size of these animals rendered them a potent threat to all around. Very good analogy on the cannon, which were indeed dangerous to the gunners themselves, much in the same manner that were most firearms to those firing them. Powerful explosions literally blowing up guns took a toll on the men using them in more cases than have surely ever been recorded. There is I think substantial agreement here that elephants were indeed present in combat circumstances in degree, but in many accounts of their use as 'weapons' there have been 'backfires'. The case for blades being attached to tusks seems also agreed, in degree, with the only question being, just 'how much so' and were these more for parade purposes in later times in the manner of many weapon forms becoming more vestigially present. Once again, I just continue wondering just how feasible or logical is putting a sword blade on the trunk of an elephant, despite suggestions in the literature. There is no doubt people did VERY questionable things as far as combative devices using creatures. .. In analogy , I think of the case of bats used in New Mexico in WWII as flying incendiary bombs with combustible devices attached. Unfortunately, they when released flew back to the hangers where they had been held, and of course they burned to the ground. Instincts are far more powerful than any human training in far too many instances. I think there was one where the Chinese tried tying torches to the tails of elephants, with unexpected adverse result. |
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