Tribal dart quiver - Page 2

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 05:03 PM

And here close ups from the quiver from Palawan.

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 05:09 PM

Here the two darts for comparison. It seems that the Dayak darts get their poison some time before while the Palawan dart is without poison what let me guess that the darts get the poison just before hunting. But this is only a guess.
The Dayak dart is on the left hand.

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 05:12 PM

Here both quiver with the blow gun I received with the Palawan item. It has some patina but seems not so old like the quiver and maybe shortened.

sajen

Sajen · 16th July 2009, 01:32 PM

The seller give me the information that the Palawan quiver is from the Batak people.

sajen

asomotif · 17th July 2009, 12:25 AM

Hi Detlef,

The dayak quiver is awesome

. I turned several shades of green out of envy

Fantastic piece, complete with the hung.
If you ever get tired of it....

Sajen · 17th July 2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Detlef,

The dayak quiver is awesome

. I turned several shades of green out of envy

Fantastic piece, complete with the hung.
If you ever get tired of it....

Hi Willem,

thank you very much. The best by this Tolor is that I get it very, very cheap in the beginning of the 90ties in Indonesia/Bali. So nobody shall speak that you can't buy good antiques in Indonesia. But unfortunally I've never seen a nice one like this again in Indonesia until now.

Detlef

asomotif · 17th July 2009, 05:35 PM

Yep, Ebay is bombing us with Malay junk quivers. Too bad

ausjulius · 22nd April 2018, 07:13 AM

i becae obcessed with blowguns since i was about 4 years old seeing a documentary of how they were made and used by natives in ecudor

on blow guns in south east asia or that . area......
has anyone ever seen any papuan ones for sale... i have only ever seem them pictured in black and white images.. but some tribes there definitely used them some being very long with long darts being used. they appear to be made from spit hollowed out cane. like the south american ones.

i guess closer to home in a way blow guns are still used in southern france but only in competition.. looks like form texts and images in europe in the middle ages steel ones just like the ones still use din france were used for hunting and sport.
they came to europe from the middle east and their is definitely accounts of arabs using them in that time..
and from my understanding the arabs in turn got them from south east asia.
others like the japanese and the native tribes in the eastern USA seem to be local developments.

the reason i mention it is that looks like the malay people shave had a really strong love for the blow gun... eclipsing even bows and i suspect that they were common throught all malay groups in a common style untill guns really made them vanish and they just stayed on with the more isloated tribal peoples

Sajen · 22nd April 2018, 07:19 PM

After I've sold my Dayak tolor shown in the previous posts and the Batak quiver from Palawan also I was able to get a "new" Dayak tolor, not as nice as the old one but a good honest example.

Cerjak · 7th May 2018, 10:24 AM

Hi Sagen
very nice QuiverS ,specially the short one.
I did not seen your post before to start my thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23902

I can see that that you have a set of tolls do you have any needle like the two I have in my set ?
Best

Cerjak

JeffS · 14th July 2022, 05:31 AM

I collected this a few weeks ago from a panday (Brooke's Point Palawano) in a mountain village in southern Palawan. The blowgun itself was too long to practically carry so I couldn't bring it. The design was a plain length (>2m) of bamboo with ~20cm of black resin coating the tip. The quiver wood hook is bound to the bamboo with heavy fishing line and the rope attaching the lid to the body is nylon. He quickly demonstrated cutting a dart plug from the soft balsa-like wood. These are still commonly used in the more remote villages.

JeffS · 14th July 2022, 05:34 AM

I forgot the last picture

15th July 2009, 05:03 PM	#31
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	And here close ups from the quiver from Palawan. Attached Images

15th July 2009, 05:09 PM	#32
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	Here the two darts for comparison. It seems that the Dayak darts get their poison some time before while the Palawan dart is without poison what let me guess that the darts get the poison just before hunting. But this is only a guess. The Dayak dart is on the left hand. Attached Images

15th July 2009, 05:12 PM	#33
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	Here both quiver with the blow gun I received with the Palawan item. It has some patina but seems not so old like the quiver and maybe shortened. sajen Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 15th July 2009 at 07:25 PM.

22nd April 2018, 07:19 PM	#39
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	After I've sold my Dayak tolor shown in the previous posts and the Batak quiver from Palawan also I was able to get a "new" Dayak tolor, not as nice as the old one but a good honest example. Attached Images

14th July 2022, 05:31 AM	#41
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 363	I collected this a few weeks ago from a panday (Brooke's Point Palawano) in a mountain village in southern Palawan. The blowgun itself was too long to practically carry so I couldn't bring it. The design was a plain length (>2m) of bamboo with ~20cm of black resin coating the tip. The quiver wood hook is bound to the bamboo with heavy fishing line and the rope attaching the lid to the body is nylon. He quickly demonstrated cutting a dart plug from the soft balsa-like wood. These are still commonly used in the more remote villages. Attached Images

16th July 2009, 01:32 PM	#34
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	The seller give me the information that the Palawan quiver is from the Batak people. sajen

17th July 2009, 12:25 AM	#35
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hi Detlef, The dayak quiver is awesome . I turned several shades of green out of envy Fantastic piece, complete with the hung. If you ever get tired of it....

17th July 2009, 05:35 PM	#37
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Yep, Ebay is bombing us with Malay junk quivers. Too bad

22nd April 2018, 07:13 AM	#38
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 424	i becae obcessed with blowguns since i was about 4 years old seeing a documentary of how they were made and used by natives in ecudor on blow guns in south east asia or that . area...... has anyone ever seen any papuan ones for sale... i have only ever seem them pictured in black and white images.. but some tribes there definitely used them some being very long with long darts being used. they appear to be made from spit hollowed out cane. like the south american ones. i guess closer to home in a way blow guns are still used in southern france but only in competition.. looks like form texts and images in europe in the middle ages steel ones just like the ones still use din france were used for hunting and sport. they came to europe from the middle east and their is definitely accounts of arabs using them in that time.. and from my understanding the arabs in turn got them from south east asia. others like the japanese and the native tribes in the eastern USA seem to be local developments. the reason i mention it is that looks like the malay people shave had a really strong love for the blow gun... eclipsing even bows and i suspect that they were common throught all malay groups in a common style untill guns really made them vanish and they just stayed on with the more isloated tribal peoples

7th May 2018, 10:24 AM	#40
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Sagen very nice QuiverS ,specially the short one. I did not seen your post before to start my thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23902 I can see that that you have a set of tolls do you have any needle like the two I have in my set ? Best Cerjak

14th July 2022, 05:34 AM	#42
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 363	I forgot the last picture Attached Images