Is this Tulwar 17th Century?

[Iliad]

Hi everybody,the experts have been so helpful with past postings that I am encouraged to try again. I have a Tulwar which I purchased from an elderly gentleman who said he bought it at an Estate auction in England about 50 years ago. The Estate was that of a retired British army officer who had spent many years in India and had left a large collection of militaria. The auction catalogue said that this Tulwar was 17th century and I wonder if the experts can confirm this? The blade is in excellent condition for age and is very sharp but the scabbard is falling apart, hence the tape holding it together. Assistance will be appreciated.
Brian

[Lew]

Judging from the quality of the sword no 17th and 18th century tulwars were of very high quality. The tulwar in question has a very roughly made blade the hilt though is angled down which may indicate it is older than the blade.


Lew

[Lew]

Here is two late 1700 or early 1800s tulwars for comparison.

[Jim McDougall]

I always find these munitions grade 'fighting' weapons most appealing, as they seem to carry an aura of history about them, and I always wonder what significant things they would tell me if they could. Perhaps in many ways they do.
What is most unusual with this example is the flueret style quillon terminals, which seem to correspond to those on fig. 298 in Pant ("Indian Arms & Armour", p.115) on a hilt form termed 'purbi' or 'purbiya' (= loosely translated as 'eastern' )suggesting origins for the hilt style to the east, which is typically vague in this reference. These flueret type terminals as well as the fixture in the center of the 'chowk' (center of crossguard) have been seen on tulwars discussed earlier from Northwest Frontier regions, possibly with Afghan connections as the associated scabbard was of Afghan style.

This example seems 19th century, the hilt does seem a bit older as Lew has noted, and the canted angle of the hilt seems unusual. The scabbard remains are of Indian form, with the fabric cover gone and the wood sides taped together, very unusual also to see these with scabbard.

I believe Ariel brought up in earlier discussions, the irregular cavalry of Northwest Frontier regions known as 'ghorrachurria' comprised of Sikhs and Afghans, which seemed a plausible source for these unusual tulwars. The pronounced ricasso on the blade edge seems to be of type associated with some Sikh tulwars, though my recollection and notes are not clear of how accurate that might be.

Most interesting example, and with intriguing provenance which seems quite lilely. I have mentioned before in discussions I once talked with a British Brigadier who was involved in action in the Northwest Frontier in the 1930's and was shown the swords he brought back with him (this was about 10 years ago, so a weapon from 50 years ago is quite likely in the same proximity).

All best regards,
Jim

[Iliad]

Gentlemen, thank you so much for your learned comments, really appreciated.
The hilt isn't really at an angle, it is very loose, being held by a single rivet, and it swivels around easily. When I laid the sword down to take the photo I didn't notice that I had left the hilt at an angle!
I wonder what the original owner would have thought if he had been told that 150 (?) years later his precious sword would be in the aged hands of a retired Accountant in a small country at the ends of the earth!!
Brian