Keris Udan Mas for comment?

UdanMas · 24th February 2005, 12:10 PM

Salam Sejahtera to all.
This is a keris of mine. Kindly comment. This keris is very light. When removed from it's wrangka it made a nice ringing sound.

DhenTal · 24th February 2005, 08:28 PM

hi dear,

I think you have a good kris. I think name of pamor is Hujan Emas or Udan Mas like your name

Estimate the dapor is Tilam Upih with Tikel Ales. Good work from end of 19th CA or early 20th CA period, often called Nom. I like the pamor, looks like made by carefully and good pamor handiwork. So fine and clear. Specially at gonjo. It have a pamor Hujan Emas too. I think too difficult to make a pamor at bottom of gonjo.
The warangka is Ladrang Surakarta. Look so appropriate with the blade.

Congratulation.

UdanMas · 25th February 2005, 02:55 AM

Thanks Denthal,
Most Hujan Emas pamored keris has the background pamor which looks like Wos Utah like mine or Kulit Semangka. Is there any Udan Mas keris which has the background pamor other than these, for instance we have the circles with an adeg background pamor?
Thanks

DhenTal · 25th February 2005, 04:34 AM

Yes, you right that most of Hudan Emas pamored has a background which looks like Wos Wutah or Kulit Semangka. But, I think the scratch of pamor looks like a Kulit Semangka. Usually, Hujan Emas just have a mlumah background pamor. It so rare if Hujan Emas with Adeg background, if Hujan Emas with Kelengan blade, I saw at Ensiklopedia Keris.

If I look closer, at the sorsoran has a Tunggak Semi pamored.

UdanMas · 25th February 2005, 05:16 AM

Tunggak Semi At The Sorsoran ? Hmmm

, I know that the tunggak semi is an irregular shaped layers at the sorsoran but i dunno if this one exactly qualifies as tunggak semi coz' it's too short dont you think?

Attached here is a pics of a keris Sabuk Intan with the pamor tunggak semi (or at least that is what i've been informed

).

DhenTal · 25th February 2005, 08:47 AM

Hi Udan Mas, you posted a better and older piece than first posted...

I try to read the book

, and find explanations about Gonjo of your Hujan Emas kris. This gonjo have a Pamor Sumber. It have an impressive pamor like Hujan Emas.
I think, Tunggak Semi can be short or longer shaped layers, if I look in literature. Both of yours can be called Tunggak Semi pamored. But, Sabuk Intan have an excellent pamor worksmith. More bright and shiny at the good iron blade. It have a Wulong gonjo, right ?

Mans · 27th February 2005, 12:35 PM

Hallo pak Udan Mas

I glad to meet you in this thread.

Perhaps, DhenTal is right, that your Tilam Upih keris has a Pamor Tunggak Semi and the gonjo called Gonjo Sumber. But, many keris like this has a Tunggak Semi.
If the keris have 2 or more pamor, it can be called Dwi Warna or Tri Warna.
But, in common sense, I supposed that your keris just has a 1 pamor, called Udan Mas.
The Tunggak Semi and Ngulit Semongko pamored just a background.

Regards,
Mans

24th February 2005, 12:10 PM	#1
UdanMas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4	Keris Udan Mas for comment? Salam Sejahtera to all. This is a keris of mine. Kindly comment. This keris is very light. When removed from it's wrangka it made a nice ringing sound. Attached Images Last edited by UdanMas; 24th February 2005 at 12:14 PM. Reason: Additional info.

24th February 2005, 08:28 PM	#2
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Hujan Emas Pamor hi dear, I think you have a good kris. I think name of pamor is Hujan Emas or Udan Mas like your name Estimate the dapor is Tilam Upih with Tikel Ales. Good work from end of 19th CA or early 20th CA period, often called Nom. I like the pamor, looks like made by carefully and good pamor handiwork. So fine and clear. Specially at gonjo. It have a pamor Hujan Emas too. I think too difficult to make a pamor at bottom of gonjo. The warangka is Ladrang Surakarta. Look so appropriate with the blade. Congratulation.

25th February 2005, 02:55 AM	#3
UdanMas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4	Hujan Emas Pamor Thanks Denthal, Most Hujan Emas pamored keris has the background pamor which looks like Wos Utah like mine or Kulit Semangka. Is there any Udan Mas keris which has the background pamor other than these, for instance we have the circles with an adeg background pamor? Thanks

25th February 2005, 05:16 AM	#5
UdanMas Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4	Tunggak Semi At The Sorsoran ? Tunggak Semi At The Sorsoran ? Hmmm , I know that the tunggak semi is an irregular shaped layers at the sorsoran but i dunno if this one exactly qualifies as tunggak semi coz' it's too short dont you think? Attached here is a pics of a keris Sabuk Intan with the pamor tunggak semi (or at least that is what i've been informed ). Attached Images

27th February 2005, 12:35 PM	#7
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Keris Dapur Tilam Upih Pamor Uan Mas Hallo pak Udan Mas I glad to meet you in this thread. Perhaps, DhenTal is right, that your Tilam Upih keris has a Pamor Tunggak Semi and the gonjo called Gonjo Sumber. But, many keris like this has a Tunggak Semi. If the keris have 2 or more pamor, it can be called Dwi Warna or Tri Warna. But, in common sense, I supposed that your keris just has a 1 pamor, called Udan Mas. The Tunggak Semi and Ngulit Semongko pamored just a background. Regards, Mans

25th February 2005, 04:34 AM	#4
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Yes, you right that most of Hudan Emas pamored has a background which looks like Wos Wutah or Kulit Semangka. But, I think the scratch of pamor looks like a Kulit Semangka. Usually, Hujan Emas just have a mlumah background pamor. It so rare if Hujan Emas with Adeg background, if Hujan Emas with Kelengan blade, I saw at Ensiklopedia Keris. If I look closer, at the sorsoran has a Tunggak Semi pamored.

25th February 2005, 08:47 AM	#6
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Hi Udan Mas, you posted a better and older piece than first posted... I try to read the book , and find explanations about Gonjo of your Hujan Emas kris. This gonjo have a Pamor Sumber. It have an impressive pamor like Hujan Emas. I think, Tunggak Semi can be short or longer shaped layers, if I look in literature. Both of yours can be called Tunggak Semi pamored. But, Sabuk Intan have an excellent pamor worksmith. More bright and shiny at the good iron blade. It have a Wulong gonjo, right ?