Unusual pamor

adamb · Today, 02:24 AM

Hi All, any insight into this keris much appreciated.

Obviously Malay dress (sheath not that old, I think); old ivory Jawa demam hilt (inset eyes missing). Old Malay hilt cup.

Blade is slender and dainty and looks to me like the Javanese pamor lawe saukel; overall seems like a Javanese product. Blade is old, but has been well-fitted to the Malay-type sheath.

I would be grateful if anyone is willing to share their opinion on this one.

Cheers

A. G. Maisey · Today, 07:55 AM

Yes Adam, one of the Lawe Setukel variations, most likely East Jawa/Madura.

Gustav · Today, 10:18 AM

Sheath is From Terengganu, first half of 20th cent, likely second quarter.
Hilt - Minangkabau, Sumatra.
Pedongkok - likely Terengganu.

David · Today, 04:26 PM

Nice keris. Not uncommon to find Madurese or Javanese keris in Malay dress.
I think the ivory Jawa Demam has some age, bit feel that the colour has been augmented to give it an even older appearance.

Rick · Today, 05:37 PM

Does this keris have an iron core?

David · Today, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Does this keris have an iron core?

Good question. Is this not the core revealed here though?

Rick · Today, 08:35 PM

I'm just not sure David. The metal is so bright.

A. G. Maisey · Today, 08:51 PM

That does appear to be separation of the pamor layer from the steel core, it would surprise me if this keris did not have a core, it appears to have some age, and this type of pamor is not usually found in a keris made purely for decorative purposes.

However, to be certain that it does have a core we would need to examine both sides at the same time, looking at both edges simultaneously so that we could see the same separation, or if not the actual separation, the line of demarcation between core & pamor layer, at the same place on the blade, on both sides of the blade.

Today, 02:24 AM	#1
adamb Member Join Date: Oct 2024 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 58	Unusual pamor Hi All, any insight into this keris much appreciated. Obviously Malay dress (sheath not that old, I think); old ivory Jawa demam hilt (inset eyes missing). Old Malay hilt cup. Blade is slender and dainty and looks to me like the Javanese pamor lawe saukel; overall seems like a Javanese product. Blade is old, but has been well-fitted to the Malay-type sheath. I would be grateful if anyone is willing to share their opinion on this one. Cheers Attached Images

Today, 07:55 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,167	Yes Adam, one of the Lawe Setukel variations, most likely East Jawa/Madura.

Today, 10:18 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,309	Sheath is From Terengganu, first half of 20th cent, likely second quarter. Hilt - Minangkabau, Sumatra. Pedongkok - likely Terengganu.

Today, 04:26 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,273	Nice keris. Not uncommon to find Madurese or Javanese keris in Malay dress. I think the ivory Jawa Demam has some age, bit feel that the colour has been augmented to give it an even older appearance.

Today, 05:37 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,395	Does this keris have an iron core?

Today, 08:35 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,395	I'm just not sure David. The metal is so bright.

Today, 08:51 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,167	That does appear to be separation of the pamor layer from the steel core, it would surprise me if this keris did not have a core, it appears to have some age, and this type of pamor is not usually found in a keris made purely for decorative purposes. However, to be certain that it does have a core we would need to examine both sides at the same time, looking at both edges simultaneously so that we could see the same separation, or if not the actual separation, the line of demarcation between core & pamor layer, at the same place on the blade, on both sides of the blade.