African Spear

[Ed]

Perhaps African. It is just shy of 7 feet overall. It is in three parts, much like a Maasai spear: the butt end is pointed and is 37". The wood center piece is 18". The Pointy piece is 27" with the spear head itself about 8".

Any thoughts as to origin?

[Araña_del_Sol]

Maasai, Samburu, Karamojong, Turkana, etc. come to mind as possible sources. This spear type is common in East Africa.

- ADS

[Ed]

It "feels good" to me if you know what I mean.

[Pertinax]

Hello Ed

Please show me the back of the spear.

IMHO the Maasai have more primitive production, here is a modern example.

Regards, Yuri

[milandro]

Originally Posted by Araña_del_Sol

Maasai, Samburu, Karamojong, Turkana, etc. come to mind as possible sources. This spear type is common in East Africa.

- ADS

I agree, I know this spear (had some myself) as being a Samburu spear, very common among the tourists in Kenia . They are even reproduced by companies like cold steel , they are nice spears but fairly common.

[Sajen]

I don't know much about spears, especially not about African ones but the one in question shows a very different quality as the other shown ones.
I had some antique Maasai spears, the description of the three segments point to a origin like suggested, but the tip looks different.
Ed, can you show more from the spear? Haft and butt?

Regards,
Detlef

[Ed]

Here are some more pictures. The two sides of the head are virtually the same. Please ask if you need more description.

[Ed]

FWIW I took a look at the Cold Steel version. Not really close. CS is "manufactured". This one is "crafted" if you see what I mean.

[Pertinax]

Ed, I may upset you. This spear is made in Kenya or Tanzania for tourists.

Regards, Yuri

[Sajen]

It's indeed typical for the Maasai and surrounding ethnos but it seems very recently to my eyes. I don't think it's manufactured.

Regards,
Detlef

[Ed]

It seems rather ungainly for a tourist piece.

[milandro]

both the spears shown are made for the tourist market,


as for the cold steel version , if you see any of their products they are made with industrial processes


we are not allowed showing for sale products but the internet shows many such in 3 pieces like yours called Samburu spears, run a search you will find them, I had 2, sold them


anyway, lots of previous threads


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=samburu






http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=samburu

[Pertinax]

Massai posing for tourists

[Peter B.]

Hello Ed,

can we see a larger photo of the blade and shaft connection?
Can you tell if it is welded or forged?
To me this doesn't necessarily look like a tourist piece, especially because of the length, which is inconvenient for tourists.

Best regards
Peter

[milandro]

most of the spears from Kenia that I have owned and seen would have no problem to be used as a functional spear, their metal is forged not welded but the reality is that , aside from the millions of spears produced in the past for local consumption the same artisans work every day and pretty much in the same way to produce spears for the tourists.



see how the exact same spear identified as a Samburu spear is made ( around 1':00" you see the spear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZ6gXS14Uc


more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFttPhAYpn0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM5z_9rPI_o

[Pertinax]

Originally Posted by Peter B.

Can we see a larger photo of the blade and shaft connection?
Can you tell if it is welded or forged?
To me this doesn't necessarily look like a tourist piece, especially because of the length, which is inconvenient for tourists.

Best regards
Peter

Hi Peter

When disassembled, the spear is disassembled into 3 parts. Each part is 35-40 cm, fits well in a suitcase. I brought swords, knives and spears from Tanzania and Kenya. The last time my suitcase weighed 24 kg.

Regards, Yuri

[Peter B.]

Hello Yuri,

I was talking about the spear from the first post by Ed.
The longest part is 37" and, if I'm not wrong, this is nearly one meter.

Ok, I have also brought back weapons of this lenght, but it's not designed for the common tourist.

And by the way, the blade looks like a fine work, not like the usual poor quality tourist blades. (And also the recent Massai Blades from the same lower quality)

Best regards
Peter

[Ed]

Originally Posted by Pertinax

Hi Peter

When disassembled, the spear is disassembled into 3 parts. Each part is 35-40 cm, fits well in a suitcase. I brought swords, knives and spears from Tanzania and Kenya. The last time my suitcase weighed 24 kg.

Regards, Yuri

butt end is pointed and is 37".
The wood center piece is 18".
The Pointy piece is 27"

37"=94cm
244cm overall

Dunno. The butt end is more than twice your example in length. You could certainly carry it, it just seems very awkward.

[Ed]

Originally Posted by Peter B.

Hello Ed,

can we see a larger photo of the blade and shaft connection?
Can you tell if it is welded or forged?
To me this doesn't necessarily look like a tourist piece, especially because of the length, which is inconvenient for tourists.

Best regards
Peter

It looks forged to me. Note that the margins of the head are not deformed. If welding level heat were applied the margins, being very thin, would have melted or been deformed.

Thoughts?

[Peter B.]

Originally Posted by Ed

It looks forged to me. Note that the margins of the head are not deformed. If welding level heat were applied the margins, being very thin, would have melted or been deformed.

Thoughts?

It looks as if the two parts were made individually until the end and then forged together.
The filing marks don't look like power tools either.
A slightly older age can therefore not be ruled out.
Are there any metalworking experts here?

By the way, based on the shape of the blade, I would suspect that it is of Turkana origin rather than Maasai or Samburu.

[Ed]

It looked "older" to me. If artisans over there sell their goods to warriors and tourists then I don't see how a distinction can be made between the two. It is sorta like a Beretta 92 vs. an M9.

This is an interesting piece and is ensconced next to my Lion spear.

[Sajen]

I personally go by these spears and the so-called lion spears simply by the patination of the wooden part when it comes to age, the colour and shiny patina doesn't lie.
Here a somewhat blurry pic of the wooden part of a lion spear I have here at the moment.