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30th November 2023, 06:23 AM
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Ivory or bone???? pesh kabz chura / choora daggers
I should be able to know this by now but any thoughts on these handles( not the M of P one)
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30th November 2023, 07:28 AM
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Do you have doubts about any of them?
The upper two have nice wootz blades, and I'd like very much to see the bottom one's blade in a close up to check out the pattern.  The only material that I find puzzling are the scales on the bottom one, but I'll guess bone for that one. |
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30th November 2023, 02:26 PM
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No ,pretty sure 2 are Ivory but friend has his doubts as Ivory not as "clean" as his Ghana's Ivory pieces. I was thinking this one could be walrus as sure I've seen old walrus tusk this colouring and graining.
Blades has a wide water pattern and I've yet to clean this piece but think its just faux staining of the metal |
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30th November 2023, 02:28 PM
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Actually looking at photos blown up their is wootz pattern under the "watering' staining on blade
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30th November 2023, 04:53 PM
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1st December 2023, 03:29 AM
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Ah , so bone?
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1st December 2023, 07:00 AM
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Yes, bone! The porouness is the giveaway.
 Regards, Detlef |
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1st December 2023, 07:04 PM
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1st December 2023, 08:35 PM
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Yep, that last one is clearly bone. The shot of the end of the handle nails it for sure as you can see the porous structure of the center of the bone.
I would say the other two are ivory though. |
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2nd December 2023, 01:30 AM
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Ah what a goose am I! Gazing intently at the grain and form of the sides and didn't even twig to look at ends!!!
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2nd December 2023, 01:08 PM
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4th December 2023, 09:54 AM
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Ivory, ivory and bone.
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4th December 2023, 12:47 PM
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In the first photo from top to bottom
Bone Elephant ivory Walrus ivory |
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4th December 2023, 03:21 PM
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There is just no way that bottom example is walrus ivory. Look closely at the photos showing the butt of the handle. That is clearly "spongy bone" that you can see in the area circled in red. I don't think there is any doubt we are looking at bone here. |
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4th December 2023, 05:50 PM
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Walrus ivory: you can see the dentine that makes up the core of the tusk.
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4th December 2023, 05:54 PM
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Tagoo Siam. Took me back almost 70 years, thanks. |
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