Ode to the Sword

Spunjer · 25th May 2006, 10:49 PM

here's my little haiku:

misfits gathering

crossing swords with each other

sundangs everywhere

Spunjer · 25th May 2006, 10:51 PM

due to the nature of the subject, the misfits decided to remained anonymous for security reason

ariel · 25th May 2006, 11:13 PM

A lonely Bowie
In the company of Krises...
Former enemies fraternizing.....

or

Enough swords
To re-arm the Vizayas...
But, it's Miller time!

Any more contributions?

Rick · 26th May 2006, 02:44 AM

Police gathering
In your front yard , just waiting
With tasers ready ..........................

/LOLZ !!

zelbone · 26th May 2006, 02:58 AM

Misfits?!?!?!

Hahaha....those "misfits" are all members of this forum!

I'll admit that I'm one of those "misfits."

BTW...all those sundang pictured were used for cutting tests....no wall hangers here. But that's just a small sample compared to the rest we left at home.

nechesh · 26th May 2006, 05:34 AM

killing cutlery
wielded with wanton wisdom
blinds the risen sun

A. G. Maisey · 26th May 2006, 06:36 AM

blood flows free

as a mothers lonely tears

for deadly art

Tim Simmons · 26th May 2006, 08:01 AM

Live by the sword,
Die by the sword.

BSMStar · 26th May 2006, 02:18 PM

I too was there… and I am in the picture.

It is amazing to see what steel and water can do when combined… I thought I would add a photo of a “cut” that I did to a 2 liter filled with water. To me, it seems that I released an “Eagle” that is scooping up a half bottle (or, a fish from the water – use your imagination).

Great steel blade swooshing,
Blurring then seeking its goal,
From Water (to) eagle.

Spunjer · 26th May 2006, 04:23 PM

wow! pretty good haiku writers we got!

ok, i'm one of the misfits as well. farthest right...

amazing that some of the sundangs were still able to cut those water filled bottle like a hot knife thru a butter even though these were a hundred years old! really amazes me how it kept its edge.

btw, it was great meeting those forum members in person.

ariel · 26th May 2006, 04:29 PM

I was in Athens (Ohio, not the real one) recently. Gorgeous area.

ariel · 26th May 2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSMStar

I too was there… and I am in the picture.

It is amazing to see what steel and water can do when combined… I thought I would add a photo of a “cut” that I did to a 2 liter filled with water. To me, it seems that I released an “Eagle” that is scooping up a half bottle (or, a fish from the water – use your imagination).

An eagle is soaring
Over the Appallachians.
But the fish is safe...

nechesh · 26th May 2006, 04:34 PM

OK, some nice poetry.....but just just to be a stickler, haiku has a very regimented structure which some of you guys are slacking on.

Should be 3 lines, 17 syllables, 5-7-5.
OK....get writing!

MABAGANI · 26th May 2006, 05:53 PM

deathdealers cutting
lusting sanguinary drops
left wet but unquenched

ariel · 26th May 2006, 06:03 PM

Well, Nechesh:

Twenty five barongs
And a whole pile of krises....
Give me a Shashka!

Rick · 26th May 2006, 06:21 PM

Black lines covering
The windows to members souls
Why paranoia

Tim Simmons · 26th May 2006, 06:40 PM

Merry making,
Oh tempered servant,
blinding vision.

MABAGANI · 26th May 2006, 06:45 PM

no paranoia
mabagani was present
second from the left

visayan cutting
not many kris and barung
on this forum meet

Andrew · 26th May 2006, 06:55 PM

sharp and pointy things

shared and enjoyed by all

good times cherished

RSWORD · 26th May 2006, 10:40 PM

A great time was had by all
But tell tell
How many wings and pitchers of beer
was consumed at the local Hooters

A. G. Maisey · 26th May 2006, 10:57 PM

Haiku is originally a Japanese form.

In the Japanese haiku the form is as nechesh advises: 5-7-5

However, when English language poets started to write haiku about 50 years ago, it was found that much more could be said in 17 syllables of English, than in 17 syllables of Japanese, so almost immediately the English language form of the haiku became shorter.

Not only did it become shorter, but some of the rules that apply to the writing of haiku in Japanese were thrown out the door, as it was found to be impossible or impractical to apply all those rules in the English language, and within the associated framework of thought used by English language speakers.

English language poets experimented with various forms, including traditional English language poetic forms, and some translators of Japanese haiku even went to a four line form, similar to the English quatrain.

I believe the current position with the haiku in English is that syllable number and form is accepted as being fairly flexible.

Certainly the Japanese traditional 5-7-5 form is used, and I think perhaps James Kirkup might be accepted as the leading exponent of this form, however, there is considerable support for other forms as well.

The major requirement of haiku whether it be in Japanese or in any other language is accepted as being the use of simple, colloquial words, used sparsely, to create an image that is constructed in a way that will create other images.

It is a catalyst intended to begin a train of thought.

Japanese is a very flexible language as regards word order, but in English we do not have this same flexibility, so some English language authorities on the haiku favour a 4-5-4 syllable form, others, a 3-4-3 form, others a 3-5-3 form.

Then there is the factor of stress in the spoken word, which can make a haiku written in American English not really viable in spoken British English.

However, all this aside, today in English language haiku there are two major styles:- one style maintains a rigid 5-7-5 form, the other freeform style seeks maximum impact from minimal expression.In other words, as few words as possible to achieve as great an effect as possible, with a three line form , and syllables structured around rhythm rather than rigidity.

steel whispers
soft the gentle breeze
one last breathe

too obscure?

how about:-

crimson snow
the springtime met by
one alone

BSMStar · 26th May 2006, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSWORD

A great time was had by all
But tell tell
How many wings and pitchers of beer
was consumed at the local Hooters

We can not say... but now you know why our faces are marked out.

Tim Simmons · 26th May 2006, 11:54 PM

Simply things really. Never did like the sight of blood?

Rick · 26th May 2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSMStar

We can not say... but now you know why our faces are marked out.

BEER GOGGLES !!

nechesh · 27th May 2006, 01:28 AM

Alan, you are right of course. And i have heard it suggested that we perhaps should be using 3-5-3 or even 2-3-2 instead of the usual 17 syllables . But then, i've always been a bit long winded.

sharp edges
wicked cuts abound
avenge me

drdavid · 27th May 2006, 01:56 AM

Important too to remember that Haiku masters loved word games and puns

With soft arc
From folded steel
A past life

DrD

zelbone · 27th May 2006, 02:06 AM

Embrace death
with Visayan steel
Heads will roll...

nechesh · 27th May 2006, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelbone

Embrace death
with Visayan steel
Heads will roll...

Nice Zel!

MABAGANI · 27th May 2006, 09:09 AM

zel shel
bagani
salam

lolz, the gathering was a day to remember, renewing old friendships, making new friends, interesting meeting some of the persons behind the keyboard. i'm more confused about some of the visayan blades but have a deeper respect now especially after the testcutting.

themorningstar · 29th May 2006, 04:21 AM

so who are the other 2 misfits not mentioned???

25th May 2006, 10:49 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Ode to the Sword here's my little haiku: misfits gathering crossing swords with each other sundangs everywhere Attached Images

25th May 2006, 10:51 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	due to the nature of the subject, the misfits decided to remained anonymous for security reason Attached Images

26th May 2006, 02:44 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Uh Oh Police gathering In your front yard , just waiting With tasers ready .......................... /LOLZ !! Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2006 at 03:05 AM. Reason: had to add some dots :)

26th May 2006, 02:18 PM	#9
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Of Water and Steel I too was there… and I am in the picture. It is amazing to see what steel and water can do when combined… I thought I would add a photo of a “cut” that I did to a 2 liter filled with water. To me, it seems that I released an “Eagle” that is scooping up a half bottle (or, a fish from the water – use your imagination). Great steel blade swooshing, Blurring then seeking its goal, From Water (to) eagle. Attached Images Last edited by BSMStar; 26th May 2006 at 11:30 PM.

26th May 2006, 06:21 PM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Picture Black lines covering The windows to members souls Why paranoia

25th May 2006, 11:13 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	A lonely Bowie In the company of Krises... Former enemies fraternizing..... or Enough swords To re-arm the Vizayas... But, it's Miller time! Any more contributions?

26th May 2006, 02:58 AM	#5
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Misfits?!?!?! Hahaha....those "misfits" are all members of this forum! I'll admit that I'm one of those "misfits." BTW...all those sundang pictured were used for cutting tests....no wall hangers here. But that's just a small sample compared to the rest we left at home.

26th May 2006, 05:34 AM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	killing cutlery wielded with wanton wisdom blinds the risen sun

26th May 2006, 06:36 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	blood flows free as a mothers lonely tears for deadly art

26th May 2006, 08:01 AM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Live by the sword, Die by the sword.

26th May 2006, 04:23 PM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	wow! pretty good haiku writers we got! ok, i'm one of the misfits as well. farthest right... amazing that some of the sundangs were still able to cut those water filled bottle like a hot knife thru a butter even though these were a hundred years old! really amazes me how it kept its edge. btw, it was great meeting those forum members in person.

26th May 2006, 04:29 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I was in Athens (Ohio, not the real one) recently. Gorgeous area.

26th May 2006, 04:34 PM	#13
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	OK, some nice poetry.....but just just to be a stickler, haiku has a very regimented structure which some of you guys are slacking on. Should be 3 lines, 17 syllables, 5-7-5. OK....get writing!

26th May 2006, 05:53 PM	#14
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	deathdealers cutting lusting sanguinary drops left wet but unquenched

26th May 2006, 06:03 PM	#15
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, Nechesh: Twenty five barongs And a whole pile of krises.... Give me a Shashka!

26th May 2006, 06:40 PM	#17
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Merry making, Oh tempered servant, blinding vision.

26th May 2006, 06:45 PM	#18
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	no paranoia mabagani was present second from the left visayan cutting not many kris and barung on this forum meet

26th May 2006, 06:55 PM	#19
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	sharp and pointy things shared and enjoyed by all good times cherished

26th May 2006, 10:40 PM	#20
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	A great time was had by all But tell tell How many wings and pitchers of beer was consumed at the local Hooters

26th May 2006, 10:57 PM	#21
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Haiku is originally a Japanese form. In the Japanese haiku the form is as nechesh advises: 5-7-5 However, when English language poets started to write haiku about 50 years ago, it was found that much more could be said in 17 syllables of English, than in 17 syllables of Japanese, so almost immediately the English language form of the haiku became shorter. Not only did it become shorter, but some of the rules that apply to the writing of haiku in Japanese were thrown out the door, as it was found to be impossible or impractical to apply all those rules in the English language, and within the associated framework of thought used by English language speakers. English language poets experimented with various forms, including traditional English language poetic forms, and some translators of Japanese haiku even went to a four line form, similar to the English quatrain. I believe the current position with the haiku in English is that syllable number and form is accepted as being fairly flexible. Certainly the Japanese traditional 5-7-5 form is used, and I think perhaps James Kirkup might be accepted as the leading exponent of this form, however, there is considerable support for other forms as well. The major requirement of haiku whether it be in Japanese or in any other language is accepted as being the use of simple, colloquial words, used sparsely, to create an image that is constructed in a way that will create other images. It is a catalyst intended to begin a train of thought. Japanese is a very flexible language as regards word order, but in English we do not have this same flexibility, so some English language authorities on the haiku favour a 4-5-4 syllable form, others, a 3-4-3 form, others a 3-5-3 form. Then there is the factor of stress in the spoken word, which can make a haiku written in American English not really viable in spoken British English. However, all this aside, today in English language haiku there are two major styles:- one style maintains a rigid 5-7-5 form, the other freeform style seeks maximum impact from minimal expression.In other words, as few words as possible to achieve as great an effect as possible, with a three line form , and syllables structured around rhythm rather than rigidity. steel whispers soft the gentle breeze one last breathe too obscure? how about:- crimson snow the springtime met by one alone

26th May 2006, 11:54 PM	#23
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Simply things really. Never did like the sight of blood?

27th May 2006, 01:28 AM	#25
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Alan, you are right of course. And i have heard it suggested that we perhaps should be using 3-5-3 or even 2-3-2 instead of the usual 17 syllables . But then, i've always been a bit long winded. sharp edges wicked cuts abound avenge me

27th May 2006, 01:56 AM	#26
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Important too to remember that Haiku masters loved word games and puns With soft arc From folded steel A past life DrD

27th May 2006, 02:06 AM	#27
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	3-5-3 Embrace death with Visayan steel Heads will roll...

27th May 2006, 09:09 AM	#29
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	zel shel bagani salam lolz, the gathering was a day to remember, renewing old friendships, making new friends, interesting meeting some of the persons behind the keyboard. i'm more confused about some of the visayan blades but have a deeper respect now especially after the testcutting.

29th May 2006, 04:21 AM	#30
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	so who are the other 2 misfits not mentioned???