16th-17th century dagger to identify

Lansquenet59 · 3rd April 2020, 10:56 AM

Hello,

Can anyone identify this dagger? It is not mine, but a collector whom I met on another forum. With his permission, I put the photos here. Your comments are welcome. I think this model is Spanish.

ulfberth · 4th April 2020, 03:43 PM

Spanish second half of the 17 th C ( or could it be Portugese ? )
Its a left hand dagger to go with what the Spanish call " espada de conchas " as shown in the picture below.
Altough the crossguard does look a bit puny and its a bit out of proportion its still very appealing , I guess you have the acquire the taste for it. This dagger is in all parts Original no doubth whatsoever.
Please tell your friend I like the sabre in the picture in the brass scabbard its a French first empire sabre of the Imperial guards ( chasseur a cheval de la Garde Imperial )

fernando · 4th April 2020, 03:54 PM

Very nice left hander indeed, Thomas. Solingen on the blade ? ...

Lansquenet59 · 4th April 2020, 05:06 PM

Thank you for the answer.
No, it's not Soligen. False impression.
Probably the manufacturer, we should look for Spanish designers. If someone has an idea...

fernando · 5th April 2020, 11:46 AM

Thomas, i don't see any name with these letters groupings in Palomares Nomina.
... And, until better judgement, i would stick to IN SOLINGEN ... misspelled, overspelled, whatever

Lansquenet59 · 5th April 2020, 12:16 PM

If that's it, it's really very misspelled, which is not consistent.
An interesting question, could Germany have produced blades for Spain?

Lansquenet59 · 5th April 2020, 02:37 PM

You may be right Fernando

fernando · 5th April 2020, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lansquenet59

... An interesting question, could Germany have produced blades for Spain?...

Bundles and bundles ... as also for Portugal.

fernando · 5th April 2020, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lansquenet59

... You may be right Fernando ...

You saved me from having to do that sketch ... which i was about to do

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M ELEY · 5th April 2020, 04:25 PM

Excellent acquisition! I was curious about the 'spoon-shaped' depression near the ricasso. Is it purely for decoration or did it possibly serve another function? (my overly imaginative mind thinks of 'gunners stilettos' with both tool and weapon function)-

fernando · 5th April 2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Excellent acquisition! I was curious about the 'spoon-shaped' depression near the ricasso...

Most left handers of this type have a simiilar depression, Mark. You press your thumb in there to secure it in the right position ... like in mine.

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M ELEY · 5th April 2020, 04:34 PM

Thanks for that clarification, 'Nando. I've always wanted to own one of these maine gauche I believe they're called.

fernando · 5th April 2020, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Thanks for that clarification, 'Nando. I've always wanted to own one of these maine gauche I believe they're called.

Dague de main gauche, daga de mano izquierda, adaga de mão esquerda, left hand dagger ... all mean the same; take a pick

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3rd April 2020, 10:56 AM	#1
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	16th-17th century dagger to identify Hello, Can anyone identify this dagger? It is not mine, but a collector whom I met on another forum. With his permission, I put the photos here. Your comments are welcome. I think this model is Spanish. Attached Images

4th April 2020, 03:43 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	Spanish second half of the 17 th C ( or could it be Portugese ? ) Its a left hand dagger to go with what the Spanish call " espada de conchas " as shown in the picture below. Altough the crossguard does look a bit puny and its a bit out of proportion its still very appealing , I guess you have the acquire the taste for it. This dagger is in all parts Original no doubth whatsoever. Please tell your friend I like the sabre in the picture in the brass scabbard its a French first empire sabre of the Imperial guards ( chasseur a cheval de la Garde Imperial ) Attached Images

5th April 2020, 02:37 PM	#7
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	You may be right Fernando Attached Images

5th April 2020, 04:25 PM	#10
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Very nice piece! Excellent acquisition! I was curious about the 'spoon-shaped' depression near the ricasso. Is it purely for decoration or did it possibly serve another function? (my overly imaginative mind thinks of 'gunners stilettos' with both tool and weapon function)-

4th April 2020, 03:54 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice left hander indeed, Thomas. Solingen on the blade ? ...

4th April 2020, 05:06 PM	#4
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Thank you for the answer. No, it's not Soligen. False impression. Probably the manufacturer, we should look for Spanish designers. If someone has an idea...

5th April 2020, 11:46 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thomas, i don't see any name with these letters groupings in Palomares Nomina. ... And, until better judgement, i would stick to IN SOLINGEN ... misspelled, overspelled, whatever

5th April 2020, 12:16 PM	#6
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	If that's it, it's really very misspelled, which is not consistent. An interesting question, could Germany have produced blades for Spain?

5th April 2020, 04:34 PM	#12
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Thanks for that clarification, 'Nando. I've always wanted to own one of these maine gauche I believe they're called.