Turkish (?) hancer for translation & comments

mariusgmioc · 24th March 2020, 01:23 PM

Another type of hancer I have in my collection, that I would like to learn more about.

It is quite large (55.5 cm / 21.9") and has a possibly wootz blade (it needs cleaning and etching to be sure).

All fittings are silver and the scabbard (which I believe is the original) is marked with a Turgha, which make me believe it is of Turkish manufacture.

Maybe we can learn more about the blade if Kwiatek will be able to translate the writing.

Kubur · 24th March 2020, 08:57 PM

My comment is very basic: you have a beautiful collection...

Battara · 25th March 2020, 03:39 AM

I've always liked this form of Ottoman jambiya, with all of the repousse silver, and often with wootz blade.

Kubur · 25th March 2020, 09:54 AM

I have another one of these monsters (over 45cm). Slightly different with a slender hilt covered with koftgari.

I think this dagger is closest to the walrus one that you posted previously.

Hombre · 25th March 2020, 03:37 PM

Amazing daggers, guys!
Thanks for sharing!

/Stefan

kronckew · 25th March 2020, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

...and has a possibly wootz blade (it needs cleaning and etching to be sure).
...

Very Nice Indeed! - I'd bet my last dollar that it's wootz. It has the look...

⁽ ᴵ ᵈᵒⁿ'ᵗ ʰᵃᵛᵉ ᵃⁿʸ ᵈᵒˡˡᵃʳˢ ˡᵉᶠᵗ ⁻ ᵗʰᵉ ᵉˣ ᵍᵒᵗ 'ᵉᵐ ᵃˡˡ ⁾

Kubur · 25th March 2020, 10:35 PM

Same hilt, different blade, from an Ottoman court dagger (not mine unfortunately)

mariusgmioc · 31st March 2020, 06:31 PM

Still no translation? Kwiatek are you there?

kwiatek · 14th April 2020, 11:27 AM

Sorry for delay, the inscriptions don't read properly. It's possible to give suggestions for certain words, such as عز ('Glory') and اقبال ('Fortune'), but on the whole these words belong to an earlier repertoire of inscriptions and I doubt that's what they are. In one place it looks like تبارك الله ('blessed is God'). I doubt very much the person making/copying these inscriptions knew what the words meant

mariusgmioc · 14th April 2020, 01:00 PM

Very interesting!

So it appears the script was added mainly for its decorative value.

Thank you very much!

24th March 2020, 01:23 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Turkish (?) hancer for translation & comments Another type of hancer I have in my collection, that I would like to learn more about. It is quite large (55.5 cm / 21.9") and has a possibly wootz blade (it needs cleaning and etching to be sure). All fittings are silver and the scabbard (which I believe is the original) is marked with a Turgha, which make me believe it is of Turkish manufacture. Maybe we can learn more about the blade if Kwiatek will be able to translate the writing. Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 24th March 2020 at 07:02 PM.

25th March 2020, 09:54 AM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I have another one of these monsters (over 45cm). Slightly different with a slender hilt covered with koftgari. I think this dagger is closest to the walrus one that you posted previously. Attached Images

25th March 2020, 10:35 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Same hilt, different blade, from an Ottoman court dagger (not mine unfortunately) Attached Images

31st March 2020, 06:31 PM	#8
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Still no translation? Kwiatek are you there? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 31st March 2020 at 08:01 PM.

24th March 2020, 08:57 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	My comment is very basic: you have a beautiful collection...

25th March 2020, 03:39 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	I've always liked this form of Ottoman jambiya, with all of the repousse silver, and often with wootz blade.

25th March 2020, 03:37 PM	#5
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Amazing daggers, guys! Thanks for sharing! /Stefan

14th April 2020, 11:27 AM	#9
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Sorry for delay, the inscriptions don't read properly. It's possible to give suggestions for certain words, such as عز ('Glory') and اقبال ('Fortune'), but on the whole these words belong to an earlier repertoire of inscriptions and I doubt that's what they are. In one place it looks like تبارك الله ('blessed is God'). I doubt very much the person making/copying these inscriptions knew what the words meant

14th April 2020, 01:00 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Very interesting! So it appears the script was added mainly for its decorative value. Thank you very much!