Kard but from where

mariusgmioc · 25th December 2019, 11:49 PM

I got this wootz kard recently. The T-spined blade has about 27 cm (11").
It was advertised as Persian or Bukharan kard.
However, I believe it has some unmistakeable Ottoman features.
So what do you think?!

Battara · 26th December 2019, 12:13 AM

I’ve seen this sold several years ago. Without a doubt I lean towards Ottoman by the end of the scabbard and the hilt.

Both Persians and Ottomans used walrus ivory and both used scabbards like this.

A really nice piece, congratulations.

kronckew · 26th December 2019, 01:24 AM

the coiled wire seam on the scabbard as well as the tip scream Turkish.

Battara · 26th December 2019, 02:11 AM

Good point Kronckew. This scabbard looks very Ottoman to me.

mahratt · 26th December 2019, 08:01 AM

Hello Marius

I think you're absolutely right. This is not Persia and moreover it is not Bukhara. My opinion is a very good Ottoman kard.
My congratulations

mariusgmioc · 26th December 2019, 09:44 AM

Thank you guys for your oppinions!

Battara · 26th December 2019, 06:14 PM

Another question for me: were the turquoise stones originally held in place by gold settings? There seem to be round discoloration on the ivory around the turquoise stones.

mariusgmioc · 26th December 2019, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Another question for me: were the turquoise stones originally held in place by gold settings? There seem to be round discoloration on the ivory around the turquoise stones.

I don't think there were any gold mountings because:
there are no traces of gold anywhere;
there are no visible grooves where the gold would have been inserted;
gold mountings on hilts are more an Indian trait, not Ottoman.

Battara · 27th December 2019, 05:57 AM

Well I'll agree that kundun technique is unique to India. But I have seen silver and gold mounts for Ottoman gems (and even for glass look alikes).

25th December 2019, 11:49 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Kard but from where I got this wootz kard recently. The T-spined blade has about 27 cm (11"). It was advertised as Persian or Bukharan kard. However, I believe it has some unmistakeable Ottoman features. So what do you think?! Attached Images

26th December 2019, 12:13 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	I’ve seen this sold several years ago. Without a doubt I lean towards Ottoman by the end of the scabbard and the hilt. Both Persians and Ottomans used walrus ivory and both used scabbards like this. A really nice piece, congratulations.

26th December 2019, 01:24 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	the coiled wire seam on the scabbard as well as the tip scream Turkish.

26th December 2019, 02:11 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Good point Kronckew. This scabbard looks very Ottoman to me.

26th December 2019, 08:01 AM	#5
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Hello Marius I think you're absolutely right. This is not Persia and moreover it is not Bukhara. My opinion is a very good Ottoman kard. My congratulations

26th December 2019, 09:44 AM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Thank you guys for your oppinions!

26th December 2019, 06:14 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Another question for me: were the turquoise stones originally held in place by gold settings? There seem to be round discoloration on the ivory around the turquoise stones.

27th December 2019, 05:57 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Well I'll agree that kundun technique is unique to India. But I have seen silver and gold mounts for Ottoman gems (and even for glass look alikes).