Arabic/Farsi(?) translation needed

erlikhan · 12th April 2006, 04:51 PM

This must be a Turkish trench art from early republic era (1920s) . A hilt with sculpture of a commander (could be of Ataturk,but doesnt look like him satisfactory enough to be sure),wearing the classical nationalist symbolic hat "kalpak" of the resistance/revolutionary war years against invasions&occupations on Turkey following defeat in WW1. Date is clear:1341, which equals to 1925. The blade is Turkish for sure without any doubt, very similar to qamas produced in Afyon till 1940s. The blade's fullers are chiselled,and has the date 1929.But it was a symbolic costume in Azerbaijan too,where era and meaning was same with Turkey. I say it, because somebody said the writings were looking more like Farsi alphabet,and such hilts were popular there. The scabbard looks like a bayonet sheath converted to fit the blade and hilt. Can anyone please translate the inscriptions or at least convert to Latin alphabet?
regards

bj211 · 12th April 2006, 10:53 PM

hi there,

here are some traslations,
hope it helps.

bj

erlikhan · 12th April 2006, 11:27 PM

Thank you very much.Helped to get everything clear enough.A Turkish trench art of 1920s. What you say about "Gazi" is correct too.It means the head represents Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for sure after this translation.

regards

Rick · 13th April 2006, 02:08 AM

bj211 ,
If I might impose on your generous nature ; would you have any idea of the meaning of this mark found on an Afghan Sabre quillon ?
Many thanks in advance for your efforts !

bj211 · 13th April 2006, 03:43 AM

Hi Rick,

I’ve seen this stamp many times

Rick · 13th April 2006, 03:55 AM

Thank you bj !

Would you suppose it could be some kind of certification or proof mark ?
This stamp appears on many of this style of sabre . Quite a few came from tjhe royal armory at Mazar I Sharif .

bj211 · 13th April 2006, 03:51 PM

i guess it is,
it could as well be an indication of the place of making or the maker him self

bj

12th April 2006, 04:51 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Arabic/Farsi(?) translation needed This must be a Turkish trench art from early republic era (1920s) . A hilt with sculpture of a commander (could be of Ataturk,but doesnt look like him satisfactory enough to be sure),wearing the classical nationalist symbolic hat "kalpak" of the resistance/revolutionary war years against invasions&occupations on Turkey following defeat in WW1. Date is clear:1341, which equals to 1925. The blade is Turkish for sure without any doubt, very similar to qamas produced in Afyon till 1940s. The blade's fullers are chiselled,and has the date 1929.But it was a symbolic costume in Azerbaijan too,where era and meaning was same with Turkey. I say it, because somebody said the writings were looking more like Farsi alphabet,and such hilts were popular there. The scabbard looks like a bayonet sheath converted to fit the blade and hilt. Can anyone please translate the inscriptions or at least convert to Latin alphabet? regards Attached Images

12th April 2006, 10:53 PM	#2
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	translation hi there, here are some traslations, hope it helps. bj Attached Images

13th April 2006, 02:08 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Piling On bj211 , If I might impose on your generous nature ; would you have any idea of the meaning of this mark found on an Afghan Sabre quillon ? Many thanks in advance for your efforts ! Attached Images

13th April 2006, 03:43 AM	#5
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	stamp Hi Rick, I’ve seen this stamp many times Attached Images

13th April 2006, 03:55 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Thanks!! Thank you bj ! Would you suppose it could be some kind of certification or proof mark ? This stamp appears on many of this style of sabre . Quite a few came from tjhe royal armory at Mazar I Sharif . Attached Images

12th April 2006, 11:27 PM	#3
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thank you very much.Helped to get everything clear enough.A Turkish trench art of 1920s. What you say about "Gazi" is correct too.It means the head represents Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for sure after this translation. regards

13th April 2006, 03:51 PM	#7
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	i guess it is, it could as well be an indication of the place of making or the maker him self bj