Sword pommel

salsan · 25th March 2018, 02:48 PM

Hi
Help determine the pommel of the sword.
In Peterson's book, he points to the finding of two or three swords with a similar pommel.
The question is -

1. Is this pommel originally created in this form?
2. Or the pommel has lost its upper part?

In the photo you can see that the shank was riveted right after the first part of the top, although it is well known that the rasp has always completed the opening of the second part.
Gentlemen, what are your opinions?
Regards Alex

salsan · 26th March 2018, 11:02 PM

There is still no answer. Really no one was interested in this ambiguous question? Or is it clear to everyone and only I do not know anything?

cornelistromp · 27th March 2018, 12:07 PM

beautifull sword!

there is a theory that relics were bound to the pommel, in order to avert misfortune.
this bracket could be intended for this, the organic material has been lost after 1000 year, of course.

hopes it helps

best,
Jasper

fernando · 27th March 2018, 12:32 PM

Can we see a picture of the whole sword, Alex ?
Is it part of your collection ?

Lee · 27th March 2018, 12:55 PM

I believe that part of the pommel would have been lost, the loop presently seen having once supported an outer shell decorated en suite with the rest of the hilt. Still, it remains a gorgeous Petersen type H hilt.

Reventlov · 27th March 2018, 01:05 PM

I think it is almost certain that these are cases where the upper portion of the pommel has been lost... The examples originally published by Petersen have been re-examined by Fedir Androshchuk and he is positive they are simply damaged specimens of Petersen's type H.

Oh, I was too slow!

salsan · 27th March 2018, 01:38 PM

I was also inclined to think that the upper part was lost. Many thanks to all for your help and your answers. Alex

Lee · 31st March 2018, 04:31 PM

This illustration from Alfred Geibig's Beiträge zur morphologischen Entwicklung des Schwertes im Mittelalter: Eine Analyse des Fundmaterials vom ausgehenden 8. bis zum 12. Jahrhundert aus Sammlungen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Neumünster: Karl Wachholtz Verlag, 1991) shows the main variations of Viking Age hilt construction.

salsan · 1st April 2018, 06:38 AM

Dear Lee, many thanks for your help.

25th March 2018, 02:48 PM	#1
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	Sword pommel Hi Help determine the pommel of the sword. In Peterson's book, he points to the finding of two or three swords with a similar pommel. The question is - 1. Is this pommel originally created in this form? 2. Or the pommel has lost its upper part? In the photo you can see that the shank was riveted right after the first part of the top, although it is well known that the rasp has always completed the opening of the second part. Gentlemen, what are your opinions? Regards Alex Attached Images

27th March 2018, 12:07 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	beautifull sword! there is a theory that relics were bound to the pommel, in order to avert misfortune. this bracket could be intended for this, the organic material has been lost after 1000 year, of course. hopes it helps best, Jasper Attached Images

27th March 2018, 12:55 PM	#5
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	2. Lost the outer shell of the pommel I believe that part of the pommel would have been lost, the loop presently seen having once supported an outer shell decorated en suite with the rest of the hilt. Still, it remains a gorgeous Petersen type H hilt.

27th March 2018, 01:38 PM	#7
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	I was also inclined to think that the upper part was lost. Many thanks to all for your help and your answers. Alex Attached Images

31st March 2018, 04:31 PM	#8
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	This illustration from Alfred Geibig's Beiträge zur morphologischen Entwicklung des Schwertes im Mittelalter: Eine Analyse des Fundmaterials vom ausgehenden 8. bis zum 12. Jahrhundert aus Sammlungen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Neumünster: Karl Wachholtz Verlag, 1991) shows the main variations of Viking Age hilt construction. Attached Images

26th March 2018, 11:02 PM	#2
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	There is still no answer. Really no one was interested in this ambiguous question? Or is it clear to everyone and only I do not know anything?

27th March 2018, 12:32 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Can we see a picture of the whole sword, Alex ? Is it part of your collection ?

27th March 2018, 01:05 PM	#6
Reventlov Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 132	I think it is almost certain that these are cases where the upper portion of the pommel has been lost... The examples originally published by Petersen have been re-examined by Fedir Androshchuk and he is positive they are simply damaged specimens of Petersen's type H. Oh, I was too slow!

1st April 2018, 06:38 AM	#9
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	Dear Lee, many thanks for your help.