Indian? Looks Arabian

Gavin Nugent · 26th July 2016, 01:43 AM

The knives in these links from the Met Mesuem;

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31631

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31635

They call them Indian or Nepalese...other than a loose form of Kukri blade, I cannot see this as an origin. As these came from Stone, "Bequest of George C. Stone, 1935", did Stone have notes pointing to these actually being sourced from India or Nepal as well?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12004
Steve makes some good points in post 3

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=622385
A list of Shafra threads from the search engine.

Gavin

ariel · 26th July 2016, 02:42 AM

Indisputable Aravian Shafra ( AKA Kusha)

Well, even Met is not infallible......

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 26th July 2016, 02:57 AM

100 % Shafra...Arabian.

mariusgmioc · 26th July 2016, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Indisputable Aravian Shafra ( AKA Kusha)

Well, even Met is not infallible......

I wonder whether we shouldn't notify Met, to adjust their descriptions?!

Berkley · 26th July 2016, 05:43 PM

See Stone's Glossary, Figure 459, Miscellaneous Knives: "9. Nepal.Incurved, single-edged blade. Engraved silver hilt".
The Met's description undoubtedly reflects Stone's records. That identification, in turn, almost certainly arose from the very unequivocal, but erroneous, attribution in Egerton's Indian and Oriental Arms and Armour:

estcrh · 26th July 2016, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I wonder whether we shouldn't notify Met, to adjust their descriptions?!

The Met has a long list if mistakes to correct. They have corrected some on their own, I am not sure how they would take it if they were informed. Artzi has it right.

Gavin Nugent · 27th July 2016, 10:50 AM

One with an inscription, hardly looks Nepalese....

Kubur · 27th July 2016, 10:58 AM

Yes but it could be Indo-Arabs as the swords discussed previously.
Oman/Pakistan/Balutchistan...
I'm not a specialist, but i think these safra are a little bit too nice to be just companion knifes...

This link will be useful too

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=safra

For me a companion knife is attached to the back of the main scabbard and main dagger. These Safra are knifes.

By the way are they Yemeni or Omani???

Best,
Kubur

Berkley · 27th July 2016, 03:52 PM

Another thread with relevance to Gavin's initial post: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6355

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th July 2016, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Yes but it could be Indo-Arabs as the swords discussed previously.
Oman/Pakistan/Balutchistan...
I'm not a specialist, but i think these safra are a little bit too nice to be just companion knifes...

This link will be useful too

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=safra

For me a companion knife is attached to the back of the main scabbard and main dagger. These Safra are knifes.

By the way are they Yemeni or Omani???

Best,
Kubur

If I can assist on the name it says ...quite roughly applied thus perhaps not the maker but more like the owner..Li ibn saaid bin hamdan (or possibly abdul rehman) This is not Omani as these are Yemeni weapons/ accompanying daggers work knives.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th July 2016, 12:55 AM

I recall a very nice Shabriya from Yemen at the opener on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=shibriya and later down the page an example of the project weapon ..

kronckew · 30th July 2016, 10:33 AM

just to muddy the waters, looks like a more ancient blade shape.

roman utility knife: 2nd, more on display in museum.

26th July 2016, 01:43 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Indian? Looks Arabian The knives in these links from the Met Mesuem; http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31631 http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31635 They call them Indian or Nepalese...other than a loose form of Kukri blade, I cannot see this as an origin. As these came from Stone, "Bequest of George C. Stone, 1935", did Stone have notes pointing to these actually being sourced from India or Nepal as well? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12004 Steve makes some good points in post 3 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=622385 A list of Shafra threads from the search engine. Gavin

26th July 2016, 05:43 PM	#5
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	See Stone's Glossary, Figure 459, Miscellaneous Knives: "9. Nepal.Incurved, single-edged blade. Engraved silver hilt". The Met's description undoubtedly reflects Stone's records. That identification, in turn, almost certainly arose from the very unequivocal, but erroneous, attribution in Egerton's Indian and Oriental Arms and Armour: Attached Images Last edited by Berkley; 26th July 2016 at 06:05 PM.

27th July 2016, 10:50 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	One with an inscription, hardly looks Nepalese.... Attached Images

27th July 2016, 10:58 AM	#8
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Yes but it could be Indo-Arabs as the swords discussed previously. Oman/Pakistan/Balutchistan... I'm not a specialist, but i think these safra are a little bit too nice to be just companion knifes... This link will be useful too http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=safra For me a companion knife is attached to the back of the main scabbard and main dagger. These Safra are knifes. By the way are they Yemeni or Omani??? Best, Kubur Last edited by Kubur; 27th July 2016 at 11:14 AM.

30th July 2016, 10:33 AM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	just to muddy the waters, looks like a more ancient blade shape. roman utility knife: 2nd, more on display in museum. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 30th July 2016 at 10:46 AM.

26th July 2016, 02:42 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Indisputable Aravian Shafra ( AKA Kusha) Well, even Met is not infallible......

26th July 2016, 02:57 AM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	100 % Shafra...Arabian.

27th July 2016, 03:52 PM	#9
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	Another thread with relevance to Gavin's initial post: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6355

30th July 2016, 12:55 AM	#11
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I recall a very nice Shabriya from Yemen at the opener on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=shibriya and later down the page an example of the project weapon ..