Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords - Page 6

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 06:05 PM

Great, Samuel, thank you,

Could you get me a copy of Janos Kalmar's Régi Magyar Fegyverek? I realize there existed an earlier 1970's edition but could not get hold of it. Is this a revised reprint as the original edition contained only very poor b/w photos?

Best,
Michael

Samik · 6th October 2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Great, Samuel, thank you,

Could you get me a copy of Janos Kalmar's Régi Magyar Fegyverek? I realize there existed an earlier 1970's edition but could not get hold of it. Is this a revised reprint as the original edition contained only very poor b/w photos?

Best,
Michael

Check your PM

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 09:22 PM

Done, pal, and answered!

Dmitry · 7th October 2010, 07:38 PM

I'm sorry to say that not sold on the 'historismus' bastard yet. I'm positive I've seen a similar hilt in a museum collection book, described as period. As usual, I don't remember where. Will comb through my library over the next few days.

Matchlock · 7th October 2010, 08:41 PM

Sold Bonhams, London, 29 April 2010.

Emanuel · 7th October 2010, 11:58 PM

You guys ROCK!

I've fallen in love and all of this Medieval/Renaissance pornography is making me sweat :Big Grin:

The 1.5 hander in the Musee de L'Armee recalls a wonderful 15th c. storta in Swords and Hilt Weapons (Nicholson, 1989)

Please keep it up, these threads are GOLD!

Best regards,
Emanuel

Dmitry · 8th October 2010, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

The 1.5 hander in the Musee de L'Armee recalls a wonderful 15th c. storta in Swords and Hilt Weapons (Nicholson, 1989)

The storta in your photo is in the Metropolitan Museum Collection. It's attributed to mid-16th c.
I make sure to look at it every time I visit the Met.

Matchlock · 8th October 2010, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

You guys ROCK!

I've fallen in love and all of this Medieval/Renaissance pornography is making me sweat :Big Grin:

Please keep it up, these threads are GOLD!

Best regards,
Emanuel

Hi Emanuel,

I didn't realize this was a porn forum ...

- but of course I grasped your point and say thanks!

Best,
Michael

Emanuel · 8th October 2010, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry

The storta in your photo is in the Metropolitan Museum Collection. It's attributed to mid-16th c.
I make sure to look at it every time I visit the Met.

Thanks, good to know. Weidenfeld and Nicholson (Swords and Hilt Weapons, 1989) where I got the photo dated it to 1490. Magnificent example! I will certainly make a point of visiting the Met when I get to NY.

Matchlock · 8th October 2010, 05:17 PM

Please do and take close-ups!

m

Emanuel · 8th October 2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Emanuel,

I didn't realize this was a porn forum ...

- but of course I grasped your point and say thanks!

Best,
Michael

To formalize my earlier outburst, since I started collecting arms, I've focused on ethnographic, non-European weapons out of interest and due to economic limitations. Pre-19th century European has remained thoroughly out of my league, as have Nihonto and most Persian and Caucasian arms. The efforts you folks have made in putting all of this material on the forum and sharing your knowledge and experience have made Euro arms so much more accessible.

Thank you once again.
Emanuel

Matchlock · 8th October 2010, 05:37 PM

Hi Emanuel,

I do appreciate your comment and thank you in return.
Me, on the other hand, I don't now the least on ethnographic arms ...

And: weapons, to many men, actually seem to have some kind of eroticism - I can't deny that for myself ... I mean they are not exactly 'sexy' but they sure they are fascinating and thrilling!

Best,

Michael

Matchlock · 12th October 2010, 04:37 PM

This is a painting by the so called Master of Cassoni Campana, active in Florence in the early 16th century (Italian Renaissance period).

The painting is in the Musée du Petit Palais, Avignon, France. The scene depicts the Ancient Greek mythology of Theseus and the Minotaur.

Enjoy

Matchlock · 19th October 2010, 12:45 PM

Photographed by the author in their reserve collection.

The ring on the one on the right denotes that it was later re-used as a sliding weight, as often was the case.

Michael

Matchlock · 5th November 2010, 07:06 PM

A fine South German, less probably Swiss, hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword of ca. 1530, preserved in the Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, France.

Best,
m

Matchlock · 8th November 2010, 08:22 PM

A hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword in a ca. 1530's Flemish painting of the legend of St. Hubert, sold at auction at Galerie Koller, Zürich, Switzerland, in March 2010.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 04:54 PM

A Landsknecht short sword with an open ring or antenna shaped pommel, an ear dagger and halberds in a ca. 1460-70 painting of the Passion of Christ.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 05:15 PM

Hubert van Eyck, Rotterdam, The Empty Tomb, ca. 1415.

Please note the edged weapons of the sleeping guards and the highly unusual shapes of some hafted weapons, including the two long arrows on the right!

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 05:22 PM

Jörg Breu the Elder, The Crucifixion, dated 1501, Germanisches Nationalmuseum Nürnberg.

Please note the short sword with the ca. 1480-90 pommel and curved quillons (Kurzwehr, Seitenwehr) of the Landsknecht dressed in red in the middle.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 05:37 PM

St. Florian and St. Paul; painting by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, ca. 1500.

Please note the fine blade of the hand-and-a-half sword on the right.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 05:47 PM

The Joy of Springtime, by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, 1531.

Note the Katzbalger sword in its sheath.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 05:52 PM

Hand-and-a-half sword; St. Florian, by Francesco del Cossa, dated 1473.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 06:01 PM

Woodcut by Hans Schäufelein, ca. 1515, who among others worked for the Emperor Maximilan I.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 06:04 PM

Hans Sebald Beham, Nürnberg, dated 1540; drawing of one of the first rapiers.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 06:14 PM

Details from the so called Resurrection Altar, ca. 1430, from Arnstadt/Thuringia, now preserved in the Berlin Gallery.

Note the short Landsknecht sword (Seitenwehr or Kurzwehr) with riveted wooden or bone grips and the kidney dagger.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 06:25 PM

Woodcut of the students' riots in Efurt, Thuringia, ca. 1520, depicting some type of a Großes Messer.

m

Matchlock · 9th November 2010, 06:29 PM

From top:

ca. 1320, 1452, 1558.

m

Matchlock · 10th November 2010, 08:02 PM

Munich, ca. 1475; now preserved in the Wallraff-Richartz-Museum Cologne (Köln).

Please note the sword of a type that is usually dated 'ca. 1520' and called a 'hunting sword' - so this really is an important painting!

Matchlock · 11th November 2010, 09:24 PM

Segovia, Alcázar, Spain, Cathedral: a very fine two-hand sword with partially gilt blade, ca. 1540.

Matchlock · 11th November 2010, 09:30 PM

Two fine hand-and-a-half Landsknecht swords, ~1520; painting of the Passion of Christ, by Rueland Frueauf The Younger, Passau, Lower Bavaria.

6th October 2010, 06:05 PM	#151
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Great, Samuel, thank you, Could you get me a copy of Janos Kalmar's Régi Magyar Fegyverek? I realize there existed an earlier 1970's edition but could not get hold of it. Is this a revised reprint as the original edition contained only very poor b/w photos? Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 6th October 2010 at 07:21 PM.

7th October 2010, 08:41 PM	#155
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Sold Bonhams, London, 29 April 2010. Attached Images

12th October 2010, 04:37 PM	#163
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Fine North Italian Knightly Hand-and-a-Half Sword, ca. 1500-10 This is a painting by the so called Master of Cassoni Campana, active in Florence in the early 16th century (Italian Renaissance period). The painting is in the Musée du Petit Palais, Avignon, France. The scene depicts the Ancient Greek mythology of Theseus and the Minotaur. Enjoy Attached Images

19th October 2010, 12:45 PM	#164
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two finely writhen Landsknecht sword pommels in the Museum of Lucerne, Switzerland Photographed by the author in their reserve collection. The ring on the one on the right denotes that it was later re-used as a sliding weight, as often was the case. Michael Attached Images

5th November 2010, 07:06 PM	#165
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A fine South German, less probably Swiss, hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword of ca. 1530, preserved in the Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, France. Best, m Attached Images

6th October 2010, 09:22 PM	#153
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Done, pal, and answered!

7th October 2010, 07:38 PM	#154
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I'm sorry to say that not sold on the 'historismus' bastard yet. I'm positive I've seen a similar hilt in a museum collection book, described as period. As usual, I don't remember where. Will comb through my library over the next few days.

7th October 2010, 11:58 PM	#156
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	You guys ROCK! I've fallen in love and all of this Medieval/Renaissance pornography is making me sweat :Big Grin: The 1.5 hander in the Musee de L'Armee recalls a wonderful 15th c. storta in Swords and Hilt Weapons (Nicholson, 1989) Please keep it up, these threads are GOLD! Best regards, Emanuel

8th October 2010, 05:17 PM	#160
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please do and take close-ups! m

8th October 2010, 05:37 PM	#162
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Emanuel, I do appreciate your comment and thank you in return. Me, on the other hand, I don't now the least on ethnographic arms ... And: weapons, to many men, actually seem to have some kind of eroticism - I can't deny that for myself ... I mean they are not exactly 'sexy' but they sure they are fascinating and thrilling! Best, Michael

8th November 2010, 08:22 PM	#166
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A hand-and-a-half Landsknecht sword in a ca. 1530's Flemish painting of the legend of St. Hubert, sold at auction at Galerie Koller, Zürich, Switzerland, in March 2010. Best, Michael Attached Images

9th November 2010, 04:54 PM	#167
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Landsknecht short sword with an open ring or antenna shaped pommel, an ear dagger and halberds in a ca. 1460-70 painting of the Passion of Christ. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 05:15 PM	#168
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hubert van Eyck, Rotterdam, The Empty Tomb, ca. 1415. Please note the edged weapons of the sleeping guards and the highly unusual shapes of some hafted weapons, including the two long arrows on the right! m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 05:22 PM	#169
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Jörg Breu the Elder, The Crucifixion, dated 1501, Germanisches Nationalmuseum Nürnberg. Please note the short sword with the ca. 1480-90 pommel and curved quillons (Kurzwehr, Seitenwehr) of the Landsknecht dressed in red in the middle. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 05:37 PM	#170
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	St. Florian and St. Paul; painting by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, ca. 1500. Please note the fine blade of the hand-and-a-half sword on the right. m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 9th November 2010 at 05:52 PM.

9th November 2010, 05:47 PM	#171
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The Joy of Springtime, by Jörg Breu the Elder, Augsburg, 1531. Note the Katzbalger sword in its sheath. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 05:52 PM	#172
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hand-and-a-half sword; St. Florian, by Francesco del Cossa, dated 1473. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 06:01 PM	#173
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Woodcut by Hans Schäufelein, ca. 1515, who among others worked for the Emperor Maximilan I. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 06:04 PM	#174
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hans Sebald Beham, Nürnberg, dated 1540; drawing of one of the first rapiers. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 06:14 PM	#175
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Details from the so called Resurrection Altar, ca. 1430, from Arnstadt/Thuringia, now preserved in the Berlin Gallery. Note the short Landsknecht sword (Seitenwehr or Kurzwehr) with riveted wooden or bone grips and the kidney dagger. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 06:25 PM	#176
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Woodcut of the students' riots in Efurt, Thuringia, ca. 1520, depicting some type of a Großes Messer. m Attached Images

9th November 2010, 06:29 PM	#177
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Gothic Fencing Books From top: ca. 1320, 1452, 1558. m Attached Images

10th November 2010, 08:02 PM	#178
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The Martyrdom of St. Sebastian, ca. 1475 Munich, ca. 1475; now preserved in the Wallraff-Richartz-Museum Cologne (Köln). Please note the sword of a type that is usually dated 'ca. 1520' and called a 'hunting sword' - so this really is an important painting! Attached Images

11th November 2010, 09:24 PM	#179
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Segovia, Alcázar, Spain, Cathedral: a very fine two-hand sword with partially gilt blade, ca. 1540. Attached Images

11th November 2010, 09:30 PM	#180
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two fine hand-and-a-half Landsknecht swords, ~1520; painting of the Passion of Christ, by Rueland Frueauf The Younger, Passau, Lower Bavaria. Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 12th November 2010 at 01:32 AM.