Albanian khanjar?

Dmitry · 15th July 2010, 05:07 PM

Blade is 29 cm long, thick, rhomboid, with a serious point, a piercing weapon, with no cutting edges. The shape of the horn hilt looks Albanian/Western Balkan.
Is my Albanian attribution correct? Thanks!

Lew · 15th July 2010, 06:24 PM

Albanian is a good call on the hilt but the blade has a strong Turkish look to it.

Atlantia · 15th July 2010, 06:31 PM

Ottoman Albanian?

TVV · 16th July 2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Ottoman Albanian?

Sure, Albania was part of the Ottoman Empire until 1913, and this looks to be older than this date.

However, to me it looks more Eastern Anatolian/Syrian/Kurdish than Balkan based on all the elements, including hilt and scabbard.

Regards,
Teodor

Dmitry · 16th July 2010, 01:32 AM

Thank you for your replies.
I was thrown off by the handle, the shape and style of which is sought to be Albanian or Western Balkan. The blade is infinitely better than what one usually sees mounted on these hilts, and is almost 14 mm thick at the ricasso. I believe it could easily pierce a chain mail.

erlikhan · 16th July 2010, 01:18 PM

i think the blade is a valuable 18th century Ottoman court dagger used by high ranks in Istanbul,originally having had walrus hilt,silver scabbard and as oftenly done to nice blades, later in time it was rehilted and resheated .

ALEX · 16th July 2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by erlikhan

i think the blade is a valuable 18th century Ottoman court dagger used by high ranks in Istanbul,originally having had walrus hilt,silver scabbard and as oftenly done to nice blades, later in time it was rehilted and resheated .

I completely agree with Erlikhan.
The blade is very, very fine, and I suspect it is forged of wootz.
The fittings are later and do not match the level of blade's quality and prestige.

Dmitry · 16th July 2010, 05:28 PM

Thank you, gentlemen!
I suspected that the blade was rehilted some time in the past, as it doesn't match the lesser quality of the handle and the scabbard.
This is what it may have looked like originally.

ALEX · 16th July 2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

...This is what it may have looked like originally.

Exactly! Congratulations on this fine blade, Dmitry.

Battara · 17th July 2010, 04:01 AM

I agree too that this looks rehilted.

Great pictures - wish I had the money

Gess · 26th July 2010, 03:59 PM

Hi Dmitry!
Blade - very, very interesting and rare, but what is the value subject entirely?
Unknown even original appearance ... There is a similar object in the original, it is such a blade (four-edged)? What age?
Regards, Igor.

Lew · 26th July 2010, 04:33 PM

Gentlmen

This item is currently up for sale in the swap so please refrain from posting any further comments until it is sold.

Lew

15th July 2010, 05:07 PM	#1
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Albanian khanjar? Blade is 29 cm long, thick, rhomboid, with a serious point, a piercing weapon, with no cutting edges. The shape of the horn hilt looks Albanian/Western Balkan. Is my Albanian attribution correct? Thanks! Attached Images

16th July 2010, 05:28 PM	#8
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Thank you, gentlemen! I suspected that the blade was rehilted some time in the past, as it doesn't match the lesser quality of the handle and the scabbard. This is what it may have looked like originally. Attached Images

15th July 2010, 06:24 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Albanian is a good call on the hilt but the blade has a strong Turkish look to it.

15th July 2010, 06:31 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Ottoman Albanian?

16th July 2010, 01:32 AM	#5
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Thank you for your replies. I was thrown off by the handle, the shape and style of which is sought to be Albanian or Western Balkan. The blade is infinitely better than what one usually sees mounted on these hilts, and is almost 14 mm thick at the ricasso. I believe it could easily pierce a chain mail.

16th July 2010, 01:18 PM	#6
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	i think the blade is a valuable 18th century Ottoman court dagger used by high ranks in Istanbul,originally having had walrus hilt,silver scabbard and as oftenly done to nice blades, later in time it was rehilted and resheated .

17th July 2010, 04:01 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I agree too that this looks rehilted. Great pictures - wish I had the money

26th July 2010, 03:59 PM	#11
Gess Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 44	Hi Dmitry! Blade - very, very interesting and rare, but what is the value subject entirely? Unknown even original appearance ... There is a similar object in the original, it is such a blade (four-edged)? What age? Regards, Igor.

26th July 2010, 04:33 PM	#12
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Gentlmen This item is currently up for sale in the swap so please refrain from posting any further comments until it is sold. Lew