Need translation help with Islamic text on Aceh sword!

[Maurice]

I have a ladieng with islamic text engraved at the handle.
Can anyone help me with the translation please?

Maurice

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I have a ladieng with islamic text engraved at the handle.
Can anyone help me with the translation please? Maurice

Hi Maurice
who told you that is "Islamic" ??
the alphabet used is Arabic, yes
but the language ??? not
might be "bahasa Melayu" ?? I dunno

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Dom

ps/ the reading (from right to left) is
belhr bentarra lamik

[Sajen]

Hi Maurice,

it isn't bahasa indonesia, but this isn't a big surprise. BTW, is the ferrule from copper or suassa?

Regards,

Detlef

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Maurice
who told you that is "Islamic" ??
the alphabet used is Arabic, yes
but the language ??? not
might be "bahasa Melayu" ?? I dunno

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Dom

ps/ the reading (from right to left) is
belhr bentarra lamik

Hi Dom,
Yes, Arabic is what I meant. No Dutch for sure....
Thank you for responding, I hope somebody knows what the words are saying..
By the way did I depict the word ok or upside down? I have no idea!

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

it isn't bahasa indonesia, but this isn't a big surprise. BTW, is the ferrule from copper or suassa?

Hi Sajen,

The ferrule is suassa.

Maurice

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Dom,
Yes, Arabic is what I meant. No Dutch for sure....
Thank you for responding, I hope somebody knows what the words are saying..
By the way did I depict the word ok or upside down? I have no idea!

Maurice

Hi Maurice
only one chance on two to be right or wrong
but, you have got the right one

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Dom

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Maurice
only one chance on two to be right or wrong
but, you have got the right one

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Dom

Glad I did that allright than...

Could it be a name of the owner??
A sudden mr. Lamik?
Just a guess.
Somebody in a privat mail told me there is an Aceh blunderbuss with a name of the owner engraved in it in the museum of Leiden.

Rg,
Maurice

[mohd]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I have a ladieng with islamic text engraved at the handle.
Can anyone help me with the translation please?

Maurice

Beautiful lading

What do you means by Islamic text, Maurice? If it means verse of Alquran, then it's not verse quoted from Alquran. If it means Arabic characters, then those are Arabic characters but in Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia.

Since those are Arabic characters then we've to read it from right to left.

1. Mim=M lam=L Ya=I and Kaf=K which can be read as MaLIK or MiLIK. MaLIK is derived from Arabic word means Raja or Prince. MiLIK means "belong to". I strongly guess MiLIK is the correct word here which means "belong to".
2. Ba=B Nun=N Ta=T Alif=A Ra=R and Alif=A which can be read as BeNTARA. BeNTARA is a Malay word means Herald.
3. Ba=B Lam=L and Nga=NG which can be read as BeLaNG which means stripe. And stripe in Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia means tiger stripe which indicates ferocious (i.e. like tiger).
4. So MiLIK BeNTARA BeLaNG means "belong to The Herald of The Tiger Stripe".

Hope this help, Maurice

Mohd.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by mohd

Beautiful lading

What do you means by Islamic text, Maurice? If it means verse of Alquran, then it's not verse quoted from Alquran. If it means Arabic characters, then those are Arabic characters but in Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia.

Since those are Arabic characters then we've to read it from right to left.

1. Mim=M lam=L Ya=I and Kaf=K which can be read as MaLIK or MiLIK. MaLIK is derived from Arabic word means Raja or Prince. MiLIK means "belong to". I strongly guess MiLIK is the correct word here which means "belong to".
2. Ba=B Nun=N Ta=T Alif=A Ra=R and Alif=A which can be read as BeNTARA. BeNTARA is a Malay word means Herald.
3. Ba=B Lam=L and Nga=NG which can be read as BeLaNG which means stripe. And stripe in Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia means tiger stripe which indicates ferocious (i.e. like tiger).
4. So MiLIK BeNTARA BeLaNG means "belong to The Herald of The Tiger Stripe".

Hope this help, Maurice

Mohd.

Hi Mohd,

So it is Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia!
So it is a synonym of the former owner, who called himself "the ferocious herald!"
He wasn't that ferocious, because the ladieng is in perfect shape. No scratches, no signs of warfare....

Thank you very much Mohd for your help!

Maurice

[Dom]

Originally Posted by mohd

[list=1][*]Mim=M lam=L Ya=I and Kaf=K which can be read as MaLIK or MiLIK. MaLIK is derived from Arabic word means Raja or Prince.

lol.... be a little bit "purist"
in Arabic "fossah"
"Malik" - "Melik" ...... is the "King" (ملك)
"Prince" is ...... "Amir" - "Emir" (أمير )

but hasn't a great importance,
as far as the spirit of the sentence is respected

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Dom

[mohd]

Originally Posted by mohd

1. Mim=M lam=L Ya=I and Kaf=K which can be read as MaLIK or MiLIK. MaLIK is derived from Arabic word means Raja or Prince ..

Originally Posted by Dom

.. in Arabic "fossah"
"Malik" - "Melik" ...... is the "King" (ملك)
"Prince" is ...... "Amir" - "Emir" (أمير )

Sahihta ya ustaz! walakin sahihtu aidhon! Surely that's a good comment, Dom

Again CMIIAW, I said "MaLIK is derived from Arabic word" and I never said "MaLIK is an Arabic word". Meaning the word MaLIK which I mentioned in my previous posting is an old Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia word derived from Arabic without carrying the exact same meaning as in Arabic. Lots of words in Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia are derived from Arabic anyhow those words are already localized in the sense that the meaning are no more the exact meaning as in the original Arabic fus_hah. In Aceh MaLIK might have two meanings which are a Prince/Royalty (i.e. Malik ul Salih etc) or a name of any ordinary person (i.e. such as Abdul Malik or Malik Ibrahim etc). The King in Aceh was called as Sultan.

The Arabic word Amir which means Prince is used only in Middle East. I only heard a single use of the word Amir which means Prince in Indonesia in the only person by the name Amir Hamzah a poet prince from Sumatera and he was killed during the Culture Revolution. Any ordinary person in Malaysia or Indonesia can have name Amir without carrying the original Arabic meaning (i.e. Prince).

Hope my explanations help ..

Mohd.