Asymmetrical Sickles knives, ngombe?

Congoblades · 21st August 2006, 12:01 PM

There are a lot of knives with this shapes of different tribes. It's not very clear for me. On this I see those triangular decoration, is this ngombe?
Mostly I see different handles on these. Is it typical for a certain tribe or area?

Congoblades · 21st August 2006, 12:03 PM

Same handle as the one above, same tribe??

Mapico1 · 21st August 2006, 12:49 PM

Hi,the first one is Mbudja,the second Bati.They have a simular handle because they are 2 neighbouring tribes.See the map from "tribal arms monographs" volume 1 by Elsen on page 22-23.
Danny

Congoblades · 21st August 2006, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mapico1

Hi,the first one is Mbudja,the second Bati.They have a simular handle because they are 2 neighbouring tribes.See the map from "tribal arms monographs" volume 1 by Elsen on page 22-23.
Danny

Thanks Danny, volume 1 is one of the (many) books I am still missing

not available anymore in Tervuren.
Guy

Rather · 21st August 2006, 01:43 PM

Hi Congoblades,

in case of interest, the books are available antiquatian, for instance:
http://cgi.zvab.com/SESSz74603245511...=&days=&rpp=10

Mapico1 · 21st August 2006, 01:53 PM

Here already a pre-taste....

Mapico1 · 21st August 2006, 01:57 PM

sorry wrong pic....I'll try again

Congoblades · 21st August 2006, 02:31 PM

With this map it must be easy

Thanks again.

Tim Simmons · 21st August 2006, 07:13 PM

Very nice sickles indeed. I am interested in the folded spike at the back of the beak part of the blade on the first example. How wide spread is this feature? it does not appear on the second . Does it have any bearing on this one of mine?

Congoblades · 21st August 2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Very nice sickles indeed. I am interested in the folded spike at the back of the beak part of the blade on the first example. How wide spread is this feature? it does not appear on the second . Does it have any bearing on this one of mine?

Hi Tim, I hope this is the part you mean?

Luc LEFEBVRE · 21st August 2006, 10:22 PM

A model made of copper.
Luc

Luc LEFEBVRE · 21st August 2006, 10:42 PM

Hi Congoblades, your sickled weapons are really nice and of good quality !
Luc

Others heads :

Tim Simmons · 22nd August 2006, 06:58 AM

Thanks for the pictures. I was prompted to look again with an eye glass and it appears not to be a spike folded back on its self. It is a punched mark, part of the decoration, very similar to the first example shown. At a distance to the naked eye it does look like a piece folded back. The other examples do not have this mark. Quite interesting, love the copper version, very special. Thanks.

katana · 22nd August 2006, 08:10 PM

You guys from Belgium really do get some fantastic examples of weapons from the Congo........obviously I know why (historically )......but sometimes I wish Queen Victoria had pushed the 'British Empire' further south (in Africa)... then it may have included the Congo and beyond ......

I'm not really jealous.....

21st August 2006, 12:01 PM	#1
Congoblades Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 171	Asymmetrical Sickles knives, ngombe? There are a lot of knives with this shapes of different tribes. It's not very clear for me. On this I see those triangular decoration, is this ngombe? Mostly I see different handles on these. Is it typical for a certain tribe or area? Attached Images

21st August 2006, 12:03 PM	#2
Congoblades Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 171	Same handle as the one above, same tribe?? Attached Images

21st August 2006, 12:49 PM	#3
Mapico1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	2 neighbours with simular handles Hi,the first one is Mbudja,the second Bati.They have a simular handle because they are 2 neighbouring tribes.See the map from "tribal arms monographs" volume 1 by Elsen on page 22-23. Danny

21st August 2006, 01:53 PM	#6
Mapico1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	Here already a pre-taste.... Attached Images

21st August 2006, 01:57 PM	#7
Mapico1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	sorry wrong pic....I'll try again Attached Images

21st August 2006, 01:43 PM	#5
Rather Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 72	Hi Congoblades, in case of interest, the books are available antiquatian, for instance: http://cgi.zvab.com/SESSz74603245511...=&days=&rpp=10

21st August 2006, 02:31 PM	#8
Congoblades Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 171	With this map it must be easy Thanks again.

21st August 2006, 07:13 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Very nice sickles indeed. I am interested in the folded spike at the back of the beak part of the blade on the first example. How wide spread is this feature? it does not appear on the second . Does it have any bearing on this one of mine? Attached Images

21st August 2006, 10:22 PM	#11
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	A copper one A model made of copper. Luc Attached Images

21st August 2006, 10:42 PM	#12
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Hi Congoblades, your sickled weapons are really nice and of good quality ! Luc Others heads : Attached Images

22nd August 2006, 06:58 AM	#13
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Thanks for the pictures. I was prompted to look again with an eye glass and it appears not to be a spike folded back on its self. It is a punched mark, part of the decoration, very similar to the first example shown. At a distance to the naked eye it does look like a piece folded back. The other examples do not have this mark. Quite interesting, love the copper version, very special. Thanks.

22nd August 2006, 08:10 PM	#14
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	You guys from Belgium really do get some fantastic examples of weapons from the Congo........obviously I know why (historically )......but sometimes I wish Queen Victoria had pushed the 'British Empire' further south (in Africa)... then it may have included the Congo and beyond ...... I'm not really jealous.....

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