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I often visit this site and the more I read, the more I realize what I don't know.
I have this Kris with a broken handle and what I believe is a decent blade. The carving on the handle appears to be good, but not outstanding. Is it worth replacing the handle or should I just trade it off? The blade measures 16.25" long. |
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Hello Drac2k,
The blade is in my opinion a East Java/Madura blade, the handle is a Donoriko handle. Is there a scabbard? I personally would replace the handle. Regards, Detlef |
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Thanks, Sajen.There wasn't a scabbard. How old do you think the blade is and is it worth investing in a handle as a good one can be somewhat pricey?
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Difficult question! I would have a handle.
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In Madura or Jawa this hilt could be recarved, outside of there it needs to be replaced.
This would have been a nice hilt, & to get an old one of similar quality will cost, but in my opinion it would be money well spent. Yes, it is a Madura blade, most probably second half 19th century. It also needs a scabbard, and as mentioned, this would not be easy. |
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Look what just appeared in my mailbox.
![]() This came from an ebay seller; so they are out there. Last edited by Rick; 4th June 2023 at 10:21 PM. |
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I am very thankful for all of the insightful comments; Is it a stupid question to ask if it is economically viable to have the Kris sent to Madura or Jawa to have the handle recarved and a scabbard made?
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Whether or not it makes economical sense, that is subjective. If you need contacts in the countries mentioned, I know that many members of this group can help connect you. Good luck |
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Be very cautious though, blades cannot be imported without permits, although many get through, equally, they cannot be exported... and will be stopped by post and customs... I opt to resin cast any bare blades now, and make two castings as they can sometimes be broken in the carving process... |
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Personally, I would not consider for one instant sending this keris to either Jawa or Madura for a wrongko.
Never in a million years. But I am very risk averse & I have better than 50 years experience with Bali, Jawa, Madura & Indonesia in general, as well as the people who do this work. It might be viable to seek out somebody who works with keris online --- everybody I know is old school & not at all tuned into modern communication. You could try ordering a new or used wrongko and fit the blade yourself. I'd order new, the blade fitting is not difficult, but it is painstaking & you do need patience. |
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Hello Alan, when you say that the blade fitting is painstaking, are you just thinking of carving out the inlet for the gonjo? Or are you also factoring in hollowing out the gandar?
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The gandar is pretty straightforward if you have the right tools, you need a segrek. If no segrek, you just splitn it down the sides and fit the blade that way. The painstaking part is fitting the gonjo, it is oil on the metal gently insert, scrape away the oil marks on the wood. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat interminably.
There's more to the total job than that, of course, but it is all doable with patience. |
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![]() The possibility does also exist to get you hands on a new wrongko that has not yet had the opening cut for a blade. This is a much more ambitious project that refitting a blade to a used wrongko, and probably requires more skills, but it can be done. I speak from experience as i did do this once for a keris in my own collection. Unfortunately i am not very skilled in this craft, but did manage to get a somewhat passage job done. Far from perfect, but i can live with the imperfection. As you can see one of the photos, the blade does sit a bit "proud" in the sheath and my fitting in not quite like a glove, but it works. When i received this sheath it was unstained/finished and the was just a small starter hole in the Gambar and the Gandar was separated form it. The pendok is brass and i had a nice silver plating job done on it. Though not at all perfect it was a fun and educational process for me. As for the hilt, i would search for a new one. You can find hilts on ePray that could serve this keris well that would not be too expensive. Probably not antique ones with this level of carving, but reasonable examples that will serve their purpose. Well carved antique ones would, of course, not be inexpensive. You can also find various online sellers, whose names i will not mention here due to forum rules, who regularly stock hilts of various styles and eras for sale. While this hilt probably could be repaired i believe it would probably cost you more to do that than to find a replacement. As has been pointed out, this is a Madura keris so you will probably want to be looking for appropriate hilt forms. |
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Once again I am grateful for all of the comments! The replies to my post have been very educational to me.
My plan of action will be(God Willing), to carry the Kris to the Baltimore Show next year and search out a proper handle and possibly a scabbard with the guidance (hopefully), of some of the forum members who I have met there before. At the show, there is a vendor whose father married an Indonesian woman many years ago, who made many trips to her country and brought back literally tons of items; he has passed, but his son, has taken over his spot; he is knowledgeable, he has loads of inventory, and he is reasonable. Once I have found a handle, I will not discard the old one but rather put it in a drawer until if and/or when an opportunity should present itself for its rehabilitation. Having a sheath, while nice, isn't of great importance to me, however, I have noted the spirituality that the Kris, in general, is held by the Forum Community and I am wondering if I am committing some breach of etiquette by not having a scabbard? Last edited by drac2k; 5th June 2023 at 05:47 PM. Reason: to add proper context |
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Here you can see an old blade from my collection I've given a "new" old sarung (scabbard): http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=keris+kebo
Regards, Detlef |
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David, the degree to which this gonjo is proud of the wrongko is in my opinion not really any sort of inadequacy. In Solo a blade that is a perfect fit in the dry season can look pretty much like your keris in the wet season.
Keris that I have packed in Solo that have been a perfect fit in the wrongko when packed have looked like yours after a few weeks in Australia. Wood moves. It is natural & normal. Take your keris into the Mexican desert it might become a perfect fit. Actually, in very old keris, the normal fit was for the gonjo to be proud of the wrongko, just as many Bugis style keris still are. |
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