19th century bone knife

[gp]

dimensions:

total length: 17,8 cm
blade: 8cm
handle: 8 cm

further info:

2 rivets in handle
wooden scabberd coverd by iron

remark:

- same marks at both sides of the blade
- metal does not go to the end of the handle but 2 cm below
( as one can see from the last 2 bottom piucture unlike Balkan daggers/ knives or bichaqs)

[Sajen]

Nice little knife! Yes, Balkan, Greece, in this direction I would look. I think that others will be able to give you better informations as I am.

Regards,
Detlef

[JBG163]

Interesting, what are the "stones" in the handle ? teinted glass, semi or precious stone ?
That's nice to see that kind of pieces !

[gp]

Originally Posted by JBG163

Interesting, what are the "stones" in the handle ? teinted glass, semi or precious stone ?
That's nice to see that kind of pieces !

no precious stones I would say but then again I am not a specialist on precious stones and semi precious stones ...
but they look like the stones some Bosnian yataghans are decorated with and very small approx Ø of 0,15 cm

Remarkable For such a small knife that both sides of the blade have the same mark an eyelid kind of form Accompanied by 3 dots left and right.

[Battara]

Hard to tell from the pictures, but the "gems" could also be colored bone, which I have seen on hilts like this before.

[Kubur]

I suggest to read carefully this thread

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=bosnian+pala

[gp]

Originally Posted by Kubur

I suggest to read carefully this thread

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=bosnian+pala

Thnx a lot and the link of Kurt does not only shows a wonderful sword but actually a treasure and museum piece as its owner Gazi Husrev Beg is / was one of the most important men in the history of Sarajevo and Ottoman Bosnia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazi_Husrev-beg

Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha
Once I read the translation I realized the sword to be a piece of cultural heritage indeed and henceforth priceless

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by gp

Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha

Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.

[Oliver Pinchot]

In modern Turkish, the hard G found in the word beg has transmuted to a yumushak ge, which sounds pretty much like a Y, or in some cases a glottal stop; it depends on the word. Hence, bey. In parts of Anatolia, however, I've still heard it pronounced beg.

There is a distinction between the terms beg and pasa. Both are ranks. However, bey was (and is) also added to the end of a given name for virtually any adult male, more or less approximating the English Mr., French, monsieur, etc.

[gp]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.

No problem at all as I look forward and appreciate any feedback and free lessons. Thank you for your correction.
I was referring to what I learned in the former Yu and what was used there ( i.e. Southern Dalmatia, BiH and Boka Kotorska Montenegro)

[gp]

Originally Posted by Battara

Hard to tell from the pictures, but the "gems" could also be colored bone, which I have seen on hilts like this before.

cornelian: a translucent red or orange variety of chalcedony = transparent quartz

[gp]

Originally Posted by gp

cornelian: a translucent red or orange variety of chalcedony = transparent quartz

some more info on the gem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnelian

and found an early discussion in which Rick and Ester were correct:http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=carnelian

as for the type, it is indeed Bosnian as you can see / compare it with my bichaqs I showed in several threads in this forum and this Yataghan:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...aghan+sarajevo


also senor Pinchot was right in his comment:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=carnelian

first of all some feedback how this gem came into the world of Islam, i.e. Balkans, Ottoman Empie and early Arab world, as we have to go back to the Prophet;

The Prophet Mohammed was said to have worn a carnelian seal set in silver on the little finger of his right hand. This may help explain the appeal of carnelian in the Arab and Muslim world. Gem cutters often engrave carnelians with small prayers for luck or to turn away envy.
More details:
https://islamqa.org/shafii/qibla-sha...ive-him-peace/

So no surprise, that this gem, next to jewelry, found its way into the cold weapons. Like these 2 pics and the last one from the collection of the Met with the gem stones at the end of the chain ( but the dagger, by the look of its handle ; the winged top) might be Greek or from Crete, looking at the grip...?)

and also 3 handle / grip pics from my collection added

Title: Dagger (Yatagan) with Sheath from the Met in the USA
Date: 18th century
Culture: Balkan
Medium: Steel, ivory, silver, carnelian, ruby
Dimensions:
H. with sheath 17 1/4 in. (43.8 cm);
H. without sheath 15 5/16 in. (38.9 cm);
H. of blade 10 5/8 in. (27 cm);
W. 2 9/16 in. (6.5 cm); D. 1 1/16 in. (2.7 cm);
Wt. 11.4 oz. (323.2 g);
Wt. of sheath 10.2 oz (289.2 g)

Classification: Daggers
Credit Line: Bequest of Richard B. Seager, 1926
Accession Number: 26.35.4a, b

[gp]

another carnelian example;

knife in yataghan style from Crete, about 1900-1920
lenght total 26,5 cm and blade 13,5 cm