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19th February 2012, 06:19 PM
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unknown hilt
Hi,
this one i caught some years ago and i am nearly sure that this is no hilt for a keris. But what for is t and where does it come from ? It seems to be made from bone not from ivory. best regards Dirk |
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19th February 2012, 07:44 PM
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Hello Dirk,
could be a hilt for a plococan, betel crusher. And yes, it is from some sort of bone or deer horn. Look like balinese or lombok origin. Regards, Detlef |
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19th February 2012, 10:49 PM
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I would say kerishilt. Why do you think it isn't an ukiran?
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20th February 2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm with Sajen - Bali or Lombok.
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20th February 2012, 05:52 PM
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It could be a dagger hilt also, look at this one. What is its size?
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20th February 2012, 07:12 PM
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Definitely keris or indonesian dagger hilt IMO
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20th February 2012, 08:15 PM
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I am inclined to see this as a keris hilt mostly because it is made to accommodate a round tang and has a shape consistent with keris hilts. I do think it might be a fairly recent creation though that has been conditioned to look older.
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21st February 2012, 10:10 AM
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a better photo of the discoloration on the bottom could give a clue if it was made by a mendak.
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21st February 2012, 08:36 PM
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Size
Hi,
thank you for your answers. The size is 10 cm. I dont thougt of a keris hilt because i fount no example in the book of Zonnefeld. And here is a better photo. Thanks for your help best regards Dirk |
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22nd February 2012, 04:19 PM
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Definitely an ukiran.
You cann't find all ukirans in books. Books are limited in showing ukiran. The fantasy of carvers not. |
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23rd February 2012, 04:19 PM
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The general aspect of the hilt could bring to a betel crusher's hilt, but these have a somewhat square and smaller peg hole. This peg hole is no doubt that of a kris. Could be that a betel crusher's hilt has been adapted to fit a kris tang, widening the hole.
I happened to see betel crushers with kris hilt (planar type): the contrary cannot be excluded. |
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10th March 2012, 04:30 PM
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Hilt Tool
Hi GIO,
Yes every thing is possible. BTW I got an example of a figural tool hilt in my collection as well. Here it is. It came with the hilt we have discussed allready. |
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10th March 2012, 04:32 PM
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length
sorry,
length is 18 cm the whole tool and 8 cm only the hilt |
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10th March 2012, 05:41 PM
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Quote:
This is a plocokan, a betel crusher, most proable from Lombok!  Regards, Detlef |
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